SpyShots! – New SRAM Red Wireless @ Pro Challenge

Now that is effing cool.

Exciting stuff!

Hopeful that loss of cables and housing might also provide weight savings not to mention cleaner lines on bikes, lower wind resistance and no more cables rubbing fancy paint jobs (good for those snazzy road bikes).

Goats

Seraph. Right shifter button moves it left (higher cogs 28) (think how your hand moves when you shift) Left shifter moves it back down (low cogs 11) Push both shifters in to jump between big rings. Small learning curve at first but sounds legit. Stoked to try it for real.

Now all the bike makers need to produce frames compatible with cables/wires/and nothing. Lol…bunch of new “plugs” gonna hit the market.

Where is the time trial versions??? No more crazy funky wiring!!!

Hopefully batteries are easily removal and dockable, but I do view multiple batteries as one downside versus the single battery competition. Also, as battery tech gets even better it may be easer to upgrade a single battery verses 4 and I’d expect the cost would be lower too. But the upside is a cleaner install.
As for shift buttons. No real issues. It does kinda suck to lose both front and back if one shifter gets damaged/fails though.
looks about as cool as a groupset can look.

Wireless means you could jam the signal (maybe even hack). Imagine somebody shifting you into a gear (or not letting u shift at a critical moment) you don’t want at the finish line taking you out of a race.

Yawn…I’ll keep my mechanical Campagnolo. The electronic systems are cool–wired or not–but they are not going to make any cycling Joes or pros better. I always get a good chuckle when someone in the group forgets to charge their battery and they are stuck in their 11 tooth cog for the remainder of the ride.

@NotAMachinist

SRAM and reliable are not synonymous, especially with new product launches. See hydraulic road launch. How long did it take them to fix their weak Red front derailleur? I would wait for version 3 from these guys.

I would definitely wait at least one generation on this technology from SRAM.

@Matt…so true…I’m not an early adopter of new tech. first, its way too pricey, and second, I don’t want to be a guinea pig for the inevitable hiccups… give me 2nd or 3rd gen refinement and cheaper (ie XT, Ultegra etc) high end groupos

Why?

It just seems stupid to take one of the most efficient and environmentally friendly machines and then tag on parts that weigh more and require recharging and special disposal/recycling.

Despite all the media hooha… has there been a video of this thing functioning well and proper?

Please do share if you have seen one ??

For a team to have raced this all season w/o mechanical groups on their B bikes speaks well of its reliability. Those who doubt should consider that.

Any word on whether they’ve incorporated some sort of setup mode? Us wrenches are going to have a heck of a time trying to shift through the gears with a bike in a repair stand. Shift with both hands, pedal with your… teeth?

the thing of the buttons, is just because of shimano patents (that they allow campy to use, but not sram). It’s worse, but that is life.

on the other hand, being wireless (1) and with no central battery (2) makes it great. Also, with sram, if the batteries are swapable front-rear. if one goes down, you can still put the one that is not empty on the rear 😉

What about remote buttoms like shimano?

If it doesn’t work, can I get a hacker to hack it into Shimano?

Is a nice Work But i dont like where rear derrailleur battery is placed. So, with this wireless design Two more batteries are necessary? 3 batteries?!

1 batterie for emitter at levers.
2 batterie front derralieur receiver.
3 batterie rear derralieur receiver.

Too much batteries…

What ever happened to SRAM’s mega campaign knocking Di2 and EPS with their “No Batteries Required” ????

SRAM eating crow!

TISO had wireless shifting in 2012
http://www.gizmag.com/tiso-wireless-bicycle-gear-shifting/25496/

“Coded digital transmission is reeeally hard to hack/interfere with unless you’re DARPA.”

But if you know the frequency, you can jam it, though of course setting up a team bus with a load of powerful transmitters in would be illegal.

Most of you guys don’t realize how simple the controls really are.

@Seraph
“So let’s see if I understand this correctly: one shifter controls both derailleurs?”
Nope. Each shifter has only one button. Hit the right shifter for downshifts (easier). Hit the left shifter for upshifts (harder). And, of course, both shifters at once to switch between chainrings.

@MaLóL
“the thing of the buttons, is just because of shimano patents (that they allow campy to use, but not sram). It’s worse, but that is life.”
I don’t think that’s the case… the 4-button controls on Shimano Di2 shares the same arrangement as the mechanical shifters they have been making for over 2 decades.

The 4-lever mechanical system that Shimano and Campy have used for many years is actually more complex than this, in spite of the fact that we’re all very well acclimated to it. A big reason that shifting on a road bike is a bit unnatural to a first-time user is that the big lever of your left shifter performs an upshift while the big lever on the right shifter performs the opposite function. I think that’s second nature to just about everyone here, but the initial learning curve might actually be bigger.

This 2-button system seems more intuitive. Think of it like paddle shifters on a car, where there’s a “+” paddle on one side of the steering wheel and a “-” paddle on the other side. It’s just easier to think about than navigating the “H” pattern on a manual.

In this application, it’s simpler because you can associate your left hand with upshifting and your right hand with downshifting, instead of thinking about which button to push with a given hand. When you push the button on the right shifter, your chain will move to the right. When you push the button on the left shifter, your chain will move the the left. Boom.

First of all I am riding Campy, but I am not against SRAM, as I was for a long time a SACHS enthusiast. Due to the fact, that I have one bike (Merida Reacto Team) for roadraces and Tiathlon, I am very interested in a system nearly without cables.

So here is my question:
I often shift front and rear at the same time when I come to uphill.
I shift down (smaller chainring) in front and up (several cogs smaller) in the rear by pushing both, left and right, big levers at the same time. I ride compact and 12-27, so I get to the nearly same transmission but I have then a brighter range of climbing gears in my right hand.

How do I do this on this new electronic SRAM Red??

Curious to test it.

I just don’t like the design. Switching to double tap was like a revelation…I’m honestly a little disappointed that sram couldn’t figure it out. There’s a small chance I’ll stick around in the SRAM camp after my red stuff wears out…. Probably going to campy if for nothing else because they can stick to a design. So long SRAM.

Mike

Above – put one battery in the right chain stay and run wires to FD and RD. Will also let them talk to each other so FD can trim itself.