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Ah, bottom bracket standards. While some see the opportunity to squeeze every last bit of performance out of a frame and crankset, most see it as an endlessly confusing parade of standards designed for no other purpose than confusing the consumer.

Regardless of how we got here, we’re now faced with question of what cranks fit which frames. Something made even more confusing with the proliferation of 30mm spindles. Which brings us to today’s questions, “How do I get a BB30 crank in BSA bottom bracket?”

That was sent in recently, and it’s the exact opposite of our very first AASQ – how to fit a BSA crankset into a BB30 frame. Maybe you already own a BB30 crankset, or perhaps bought the wrong one, whatever the reason, it’s a valid question. A major source of confusion lies in the name itself – all BB30 cranksets have 30mm spindles, but not all 30mm spindle cranksets are BB30. BB30 specifically refers to a standard that used 68 or 73mm shells with a 42mm inner diameter meant to press 6806 bearings directly into the frame which had a 30mm internal diameter.

Before the introduction of BSA30, there really wasn’t an answer to this question. As you may recall from AASQ #1, BSA refers to the Birmingham Small Arms company which established the threading standard for threaded bottom brackets – 1.370/1.375″ x 24 TPI threads and a left hand thread on the drive side cup. These days, BSA, ISO, and English are used interchangeably to refer to what is now considered to be a standard threaded bottom bracket shell or bottom bracket.

Most outboard bottom brackets for BSA threaded frames originally were designed around cranks with a 24mm spindle. But with the introduction of BSA30, companies introduced an outboard cup with a larger diameter bearing that would allow 30mm spindles to pass through the bottom bracket and the bottom bracket shell.

But before you go buying a BSA30 bottom bracket, there’s still some compatibility to worry about. While both standard BSA threaded frames and BB30 frames have 68mm shells for road bikes, the external bearings of the BSA frame when used with an outboard bottom bracket would render a standard BB30 crankset’s spindle too short to use with a BSA30 bottom bracket.

To complicate things further, there are oddballs like Cannondale’s BB30a, Specialized’s OSBB, and Cervelo’s BBRight that are all some variant on the BB30, but with different widths. Depending on where your crankset came from or what standard it was meant for, it could have a different spindle width.

To get back to the original question, the first thing you need to do is identify which crankset you are working with and how long the spindle is (the part that connects the two crank arms through the middle of the bottom bracket). According to Wheels Manufacturing (who makes all kinds of bottom bracket adapters, bottom brackets, and accessories), in order to use their threaded to 30mm bottom bracket, you’ll need at least 104mm of spindle length. That’s measuring from the inside face of the crankarm (without any spacers) to the end of the spindle. Note that given the number of bottom brackets and frame tolerances, you’ll probably have to use a combination of spacers to ensure the proper fit. If your crank spindle is less than 104mm, well then you’re probably out of luck – unless your spindle can be replaced.

Some cranks, like the Race Face Cinch system, make it extremely easy to swap spindles. Just unbolt the current, and then reinstall the longer option. If the crankset doesn’t have a replaceable spindle, then you’re most likely going to be shopping for a new crank. While it’s technically possible to press the spindle out of some cranksets and replace it with something else, for most riders it’s not worth the time, effort, and expense involved.

Long story short, start by measuring the spindle. If it’s 104mm or longer (or has an easily replaceable spindle), buy yourself a BSA30 bottom bracket (don’t forget the special tool needed for the install!), and enjoy your 30mm spindle crankset on your BSA frame.

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12 COMMENTS

  1. BB386 make it work with long enough spindles. SRAM road cranksets can easily detach from their “too short” spindle. Stages offers six different length spindles that could make this work.

    • Cranks that are native to true BB30, 68ish mm between the arms, cannot just get a longer spindle. Chainline would be altered dramatically. Any crank that has 90+mm of spindle between the arms should have no problem.

    • Bad info specific to SRAM. Not all SRAM “BB30” road cranks have spindles the same length. Their cranks with removable spiders (like the Force or even RED series with removable spiders) are actually BB386 spec and have long enough spindles to fit a BSA30 setup. Only their non-removable spider RED cranks are true BB30 cranks are the spindles are too short to fit into any BSA30 setup. It’s mostly on SRAM for calling every crank with a 30mm spindle a “BB30” though.

    • According to that Wikipedia link provided, the BSC standard uses 26 tpi, the same as the obsolete Raleigh BB standard – except the line that reads “Bottom Bracket cups diameter with a 24 tpi ISO standard or a 26 tpi Raleigh (now obsolete) standard.” The current threaded bottom bracket standard uses 24 tpi. And at least as it’s listed on Sheldon Brown’s website, BSA developed the standard, which was adopted as the BSC standard, which was later adopted by the ISO. So technically, BSA, BSC, and ISO are all interchangeable, but the industry seems to have settled on BSA as the descriptor (although in the shop we usually just referred to them as English, to distinguish between the Italian threaded frames).

  2. The original question wasn’t addressed(!), but the short answer is that BB30 cranks can’t fit into normal English threaded shells as there’s not enough room for bearings to fit, either internally or externally. Some other cranks with 30mm axles and outboard bearings will fit, and BB30 cranks can fit into some threaded shells – but only if they’re T47, and narrow enough.

    Things are getting way too complicated with headsets and BBs these days… 🙁

  3. Please beware that Stages spindles are NOT compatible with any other crank arms due to “clocking issues” – unless you want to pedal at 170/190 degrees – learned this the hard way.

  4. It doesn’t appear that SRAM dub is used for any road cranksets. It also isn’t BB30 (more similar to BB386) but with it’s new dimensions and focus on fitting 1x cranks to many if not most BBs it solves some issues. A core reason for it was durability. Is there enough of a track record for that to be proven?

  5. Another (minor) issue is that the BSA30 bearings have a significant wider outer diameter than a typical 24mm outboard bearing. Folks running a 2x system could encounter interference with the inner diameter of the granny ring.

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