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Clydesdale Bicycles Draft & Team titanium road & gravel bikes for Big & Tall riders
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If you are a truly Big & Tall rider – we’re talking 6′ to 7′ & upwards of 400lb – it’s not possible to get a properly fit, reliable bike off the shelf. But Clydesdale Bicycles is looking to change that, starting with the titanium framed Draft and Team road & gravel bikes in five huge stock sizes with size-specific components developed for big performance riders.

The start of Clydesdale Bicycles for the Big & Tall

Clydesdale Bicycles Draft & Team titanium road & gravel bikes for Big & Tall riders

If you are a large & serious cyclist you probably know Lennard Zinn’s name. For years (decades, really) Zinn Cycles has been designing & building custom bikes for riders of any size. But custom gets super pricey fast. In the past he worked with KHS to get large affordable bikes to market, still in KHS’s catalog. Now together with long-time partner Nick Wigston, the two have created a new bike brand called Clydesdale Bicycles that will develop a range of high performance stock bikes for the really Big and Tall rider market.

Clydesdale Bicycles Draft & Team titanium road & gravel bikes for Big & Tall riders
courtesy Clydesdale, exterior photos by Jivan West

Nick tells us there are a growing number of clydesdale and tall cyclists. Those cyclists are often crossing over from other sports – think pro athlete cross training, but most brands are reluctant to build bikes for those larger riders partly because it requires a nuanced approach rather that simply scaling up frame & component sizes, and because it remains a relatively small segment of the overall market place.

Clydesdale Bicycles Draft & Team titanium road & gravel bikes

Clydesdale Bicycles Draft & Team titanium road & gravel bikes for Big & Tall riders

But this is where Clydesdale Bicycles comes in. With decades of experience working with bigger riders, they are making it their mission to create “durable and great performing bikes for Big and Tall men and women”. The first bikes they are offering are a pair of modern road & gravel bikes that share the same titanium frame, available in two complete builds – the Clydesdale Draft & Clydesdale Team.

Clydesdale Draft & Team road & gravel Big & Tall Geometry

Clydesdale Bicycles Draft & Team titanium road & gravel bikes for Big & Tall riders geometry

Getting huge riders on a properly sized bikes is a bit more difficult than it sounds. Not as easy as just scaling up, those stretched out tubes often aren’t stiff enough and you get sketchy if not dangerous handling. You also don’t want a monstrously heavy frame. Plus you need a fork stiff enough and long enough to get the handlebar up where it belongs for a proper fit. That’s where Lennard’s experience really comes in, putting together a five stock size range that is larger than any we’ve seen before, starting at L up to 4XL.

Clydesdale Draft & Team road & gravel – Tech Details

Clydesdale Bicycles Draft & Team titanium road & gravel bikes for Big & Tall riders

Clydesdale builds with titanium both to create bikes to last a lifetime for riders up to 450lb/204kg. But it also allows them to use large diameter tubing that offers the strength they need for larger riders without getting too heavy or harsh riding.

The Enve Gravel Road fork is a key component of the bikes as well, since Enve builds it with an extended 400mm long full carbon 1.5″ tapered steerer tube that fits the giant headtubes on the Clydesdales. (Interesting note: that 400mm Enve steerer is longer than the fork legs, which are only 382mm.)

Clydesdale Bicycles Draft & Team titanium road & gravel bikes for Big & Tall riders

The ti frames get modern gravel bike touches throughout, with a T47 threaded bottom bracket, flat mount disc brakes, and 12mm thru-axles. The headtubes are straight 44mm internal to work with tapered forks, and the frames get internal cable routing.

Clydesdale Bicycles Draft & Team titanium road & gravel bikes for Big & Tall riders

Full rack and fender mounts on the frame give the bikes light touring capabilities, and the Gravel Road forks include Enve’s clip on front fender. Tire clearance for the bikes is 40mm, or 35mm with fenders.

Clydesdale Bicycles Draft & Team titanium road & gravel bikes for Big & Tall riders

The bigger the frames get, the components get larger as well. So the bikes get alloy Andel cranks that start at 180mm and grow up to 215mm long. Handlebars also start at an already wide 460mm and go to 480mm to fit wider shoulders. All of the bikes get in-house hand-built wheels with 36 DT Competition spokes, brass nipples, Velocity Dyad alloy rims, and alloy Clydesdale hubs rated for 450lb riders.

Clydesdale Draft & Team road & gravel Complete Bike Spec & Pricing

Clydesdale Bicycles Draft & Team titanium road & gravel bikes for Big & Tall riders

The new titanium road & gravel (even light touring) bikes are available in one of two complete builds, sharing the same frame & fork. The Draft is the more affordable option at $4450 complete with a Shimano 105 2×11 groupset and 105 hydraulic disc brakes, and hand-built wheels.

Clydesdale Bicycles Draft & Team titanium road & gravel bikes for Big & Tall riders

The Team is a bit more premium build at $5950 with electronic Ultegra Di2 shifting and hydraulic disc brakes, Thomson stem & seatpost, and otherwise the same components as the Draft.

Clydesdale Bicycles Draft & Team titanium road & gravel bikes for Big & Tall riders

But this is only a first step. After building custom bikes for a long time, Clydesdale already says that stock complete mountain bikes, road bikes, commuter bikes, e-bikes, and more are all in the development pipeline. Big riders: Stay tuned!

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Yritys Palveluj
Yritys Palveluj
6 years ago

That head tube is as long as my seat tube. WTF?!?!?!

Braulio
Braulio
4 years ago

With the longest head tube being 335 mm, your seat tube must be hella tiny.

Demetri Alexander Mamacos

32″ wheels be the order of the day. Bigger wheels for taller riders and smaller wheels for shorter riders.

Nick wigston
1 year ago

Yeah we are doing 32 inch wheeled bikes now and they are great.

Uzurpator
Uzurpator
6 years ago

Bike for a big rider. But 160mm front rotors and no 157mm rear hubs. Not even trying… I’m almost 200cm tall an 96kg.

Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot
6 years ago
Reply to  Uzurpator

It is a shame but Looks like 160 is the biggest you can get in R8000 or R9100 I’m not sure that combining road levers with MTB brake calipers is feasible in mass production or if its insurable. Not sure why super boost would be beneficial on a 2×11 road bike but maybe I’m misreading or missing a point, nice to see some options for larger riders. I know trek has some larger sizes but some of my Danish riding friends complain because if they don’t have it in stock you have to wait forever for a new batch to ship to the USA.

Uzurpator
Uzurpator
6 years ago

What is going to stop me from putting 225mm hope rotor other then fork warranty issues ( remember: these forks are rated for 400lb dudes ) and lack od adapters? If this bike is built _specifically_ for big guys, it should have braking system that fits their needs.

I run DH brake ( hope 6ti ) on a 203mm rotor on my road bike. 28mm tyres. Works perfectly.

Same goes for 157mm rear hubs. I have a set of wheels built around 135mm standard that survived me + 80kgs of luggage and hold just fine for 5 years. But I also had endless problems with rear wheels and would like to avoid such problems with usage of proper clyde sized rear dropouts. Its not like a 200cm dude is going to want a narrow q-factor.

Dinger
Dinger
6 years ago
Reply to  Uzurpator

Good ideas, but lots of challenges there.You’d be hard pressed to fashion a way to use larger rotors with the flat-mount standard, unless you have the means to design and make flat-to-post adapters to get it done.

Given that just a handful of years ago, these bikes would have the same rim brakes that all other road bikes (and touring bikes) had. 160mm with decent hydraulic power is plenty to stop just about anyone that is capable of riding a bike.

A 200cm dude might have heel clearance problems with huge feet, short chain stays, and 157mm rear spacing (my road bike’s chain stays get marked up from my heels, I wear an 11.5). All that assumes that someone could be convinced to make a boost-road crank of 180mm-205mm length.

Given the tiny volume of bikes they stand to sell, I think this is a tremendous effort.

Nick
6 years ago
Reply to  Uzurpator

Yeah, you can’t do a 157 rear on a bike like this because it won’t work with road bike chainrings and cranks. Chainline would be way off. The stiffness of this bike has been fully tested by very heavy riders. The brakes and the frame do hold up. Give it a try and you’ll see. I do wish we could put bigger rotors on the fork, however, they have been working very well for people. We have many customers who are 6’8″ and over 330lbs who ride big mountain passes in Colorado, Italy, France, and more who have been putting the brakes and the bikes to the test with great luck. Even loaded with touring gear. We have been having them test different hub and rim combinations as well as different brake combinations over the past 10 years. When we come out with our mountain bike, we will be able to run big rotors and different brakes. Perhaps even do 157 spacing, but at least 148 for sure.

Bob
Bob
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick

Nic I’m thinking these guys have never used Campy Delta brakes LoL any disk brake is better than the 80s single and double pull brakes

JNH
JNH
6 years ago
Reply to  Uzurpator

I’ve built plenty of 130×10 and 135×10 wheels for heavy guys, high spoke counts make a much bigger difference than shell width. I’d certainly hand a 100kg guy a 135mm wheel with 36 spokes before a 157mm wheel with 28. 157 and road parts will lead to clearance and chainline problems too, or custom crank spindles.

Bmx
Bmx
6 years ago
Reply to  JNH

135 mm BMX 48 wheel would handle a light motorcycle load. Or the most burly guy landing from 12ft to flat without an issue. Also most road forks can only handle 160 rotors. 180mm would be scary on a road tyre no matter what the load, it would probably skip when breaking.

Uzurpator
Uzurpator
6 years ago
Reply to  JNH

@JNH – being possible does not make it optimal. I have 135mm wheels – 36h – built with 2.3mm spokes drive-side and those finally don’t fatigue break. But for a bike specifically for heavier riders – I want wheels built for that purpose – that is 36h, 150/157 rear. Just like the one I have on my enduro rig.

@Bmx – rear my comment above. I find it scary that someone wants to sell me ( 96kg naked, possibly 120-125kg geared ) a fork that is rated for 400lb dudes but warrants it for 160mm rotors. I run Hope Mono 6 Ti on 203mm rotor with 28mm tyres and it works perfectly – 70km/h to stop with perfect control. On the other hand – 160mm is downright scary in the mountains and cost me a painful skid once. The kind of skid that ends with stitches.

I even custom made myself 224 and 226mm rotors for other bikes and finally I have decent brakes.

Nick wigston
1 year ago
Reply to  Uzurpator

We just came out with a new fork that uses a flat mount brake and works with 180mm rotors.

Greg
Greg
6 years ago

The frames seem so much bigger than the wheels, they are way out of proportion. At a certain point, when everything is getting scaled up, you can’t leave out the wheels. This would be even more expensive to do a custom wheel size but probably makes sense for the NBA sized riders out there. A lot of factories in China are making carbon wheels to custom or small order specifications, so it might not be that much. Obviously that would mean doing a custom fork too, but this isn’t hard, lots of the same carbon manufacturers in China do custom forks.

Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot
6 years ago
Reply to  Greg

Problem with that isn’t rims and forks per se. Unicycles have 32 and 36″ standards it’s more tires at that point or lack thereof on the road side of things since it appears 32 and 36″ set ups are more for mountain unicycling (seriously that’s a thing).

Nick
6 years ago

Yeah that’s correct. Lack of tires and forks are the challenge. Also the bigger wheel is either super heavy or not stiff enough. We have plans for a 36er and a 32er, but those aren’t really great as a gravel and road bike. They are great for riding around town and getting exercise, some light mountain biking, etc. I think it will be a great addition to the line up, but this first set of gravel/road bikes really have the most versatility.

Bob
Bob
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick

The larger wheel has more side loading takes longer to get up to speed and has more wind drag. You gain rolling less rolling resistance and larger contact patch.

On a road bike 700c is still the best balance of wheel strength/ weight, areo and wheel speed.

Bringing the BB up also helps with bar height because you can move the head tube up and still have a rigid front end that won’t have the hi-speed oscillation. Unfortunately, this gives you along steer tube.

But if you guys want a bike that looks sharp won’t stop for shit and shimmys like a Hula Dancer on meth i have a 64 cm1989 Merkx Corsa Extra all Durs Ace i will sell you

Ps I’m 6ft 7 and 320 with Gariff legs and gorilla arms

I’d love to do a test and review on the Draft Horse

Mike
Mike
6 years ago

The amount of traction the tire has is probably the limiting factor. That said at 300lbs I’ve never not had enough braking from 160 both ends, to the point where I could probably get away with 140 rear if my bike took it. Still running 180/200 on my mtb though.

Fred
Fred
6 years ago

Reach isn’t even 500mm so these bikes aren’t really for tall people. They will still be cramped on them.

Patricia thompson
Patricia thompson
6 years ago
Reply to  Fred

bc they shift the design substaqntially – they have an explicit statement saying the reach quoted can’t be compared to regular bikes. my 6′ 8″ husband has ridden bikes from Zinn for 20 years – he knows tall bc he is tall.

Loren
Loren
1 year ago

I’m also 6’8″. Any chance I could contact your husband to learn what has worked best? Thanks

Nick
6 years ago
Reply to  Fred

Fred, please understand that when the bottom bracket is raised for the longer cranks, the stack and reach numbers get shortened from what they would be with a standard height bottom bracket. That is clearly stated in the geometry chart to avoid confusion So tall guys will not be cramped on these bikes. Quite the opposite.

Nick
Nick
6 years ago

Even as a 6’7″ rider, I cringe at the aesthetics of bikes like this. Overall though, the more options the better!

tallbikeman
4 years ago

Banging my size 14 feet on chainstays and cranks was finally solved by using pedal extenders for those of you having this sort of problem. It is good to see frames and dimensions that will fit those of us that are tall and big. I ride older steel frame road bikes from the 1980’s when you could get a 68cm frame. These bikes fit me very well. However as noted they tend to shimmy during high speed and high stress turns. As I’ve aged that is not really a problem anymore. Brakes, rim or small disc. Never had an accident I could attribute to not enough braking using both types of brake. 130mm and 135mm rear hubs will work with heavy riders with proper hubs, spokes, rims and tires. I imagine a wider hub would have better spoke angles thus better rear wheel strength, especially on the cassette side. Keep up the good work.

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