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EB16: KCNC shows titanium 11-speed wide range cassette, massive derailleur pulleys & more

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If bigger is better, really bigger must be more better, right? KCNC must think so with their as-yet-unreleased oversized aluminum derailleur pulley wheels. Coming in 12, 14 and 16 tooth counts, they require a special cage to fit them. They say research has shown that the larger wheels reduce drag, and these are rolling on better bearings and use drastically machined structures to create a premium offering. Overall, the package isn’t likely to save any weight over stock derailleurs since everything’s bigger and, we’re guessing, you’ll need to add several links back to the chain to keep everything working properly.

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Prices, weights and availability are all unknowns at this time.

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Their new floating rotor design could come in this oversized 254mm diameter. They joked that bigger, heavier (think “old guys that get fat in winter) riders need it to go downhilling, but the likely real use is big, heavy e-bikes that need the extra stopping power. They’ll also offer the post mount adapter to push your caliper out far enough to fit it.

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The floating design uses an aluminum fin on a steel braking surface, pinned to an aluminum carrier. No word on pricing for these yet, either.

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What is ready for retail is their new titanium 11-speed 11-42 cassette. The main cluster is full titanium with a 7075 aluminum large cog.

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The price is €640, which is considerably higher than comparable 11-speed cassettes from Shimano, etc., but at 307g, it’s also considerably lighter.

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This tops the size spectrum, slotting in on top of the full titanium 11-34 and 11-38 Shimano-compatible cassettes they already offer. The construction bolts individual 6/4 ti cogs onto a mono-block CNC machined AL7075 carrier, but this one gets V-shaped arms on the carrier as opposed to the radial design used on their other cassettes.

KCNC.com.tw

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Peter
Peter
8 years ago

For 640 EUR, you can get two Sram XX1 or X01 cassettes at 263 grams each + an XD driver if you need one. Not only are the Sram top of the line cassettes lighter, offer a wider range (10-42 vs 11-42) and most likely shift better, they will also be more durable with steel cogs instead of titanium ones. That titanium cassette is one big fail.

isrequired
isrequired
8 years ago
Reply to  Peter

yea no kidding. BR is going to remove that comment in 3..2..1 lol

Dominic
Dominic
8 years ago
Reply to  isrequired

What are you even attempting to imply?

2pacfan187
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominic

That BR is willing to editorialize for their advertisers.

Evan
Evan
8 years ago
Reply to  Peter

I couldn’t believe the $640 price tag, but reading this, it makes you wonder what they were on when they thought this up and who the heck they’re planning to sell it too :s

i
i
8 years ago
Reply to  Peter

or you could get 10 M8000 cassettes…. which would last you well past when 11s becomes obsolete.

Troy Kattenhorn
8 years ago

Love those pulleys.

MaraudingWalrus
8 years ago

the pulleys look cool!

RED
RED
8 years ago

Any idea what derailleur those cages and pulleys will work with?

Julian DaSilva
Julian DaSilva
8 years ago
Reply to  RED

Looks like Shimano Dura Ace 9070 and Ultegra 6770.

Antipodean_eleven
8 years ago

“They say research has shown that the larger wheels reduce drag…” Well, duh! They are rotating less, so less rotation = less friction.

That said, the contact with the chain is increased, so where contact = friction, I am not quite seeing how this claim pans out. If anything, I’d think that the reduced friction due to a marginally larger rotation at the bearing is offset by the greater contact with the chain.

Richard Cheeze
Richard Cheeze
8 years ago

More chain wrap = better chain leverage and force distributed over a greater area = less energy required to overcome. Bigger pulleys = more pulley teeth = less pulley rotation= Less friction.

TheKaiser
TheKaiser
8 years ago

There is more contact between chain and pulley at any given time, but I don’t think that will increase friction, for a few reasons. 1. The increased contact means that pressure is distributed over a wider area, so you have more contact, but with less pressure on each point of contact, which generally roughly equals out. 2. The number of actual contact events will be the same as with a regular pulley, because these do not alter gear ratio. So, even though you have more teeth in contact with the chain at any given time, the number of tooth/chain link interfaces over the course of a ride will not be increased.

In addition to those points, most of these low friction pulley/cage setups include a lighter tension spring, which further reduces friction, at the possible expense of chain retention.

Dinger
Dinger
8 years ago
Reply to  TheKaiser

The number of teeth/contact is not what adds or takes away friction, it is that the larger pulley diameter relieves chain wrap. The tighter the radius the chain wraps around, the more friction. The difference is small because the only load the lower length of the chain experiences is that of the cage’s spring.

Craig
Craig
8 years ago

My mate is working on a 11-42 cassette design made out of foam that will weigh 30 grams. It will be race use only and cost $5.

Marin
Marin
8 years ago

Titanium is bad material for most parts on a bike but I’d like to see someone make titanium rims just to see if it works.
Aluminium dents easily and carbon can explode or suffer invisible damage leading to catastrophic failure.

ChrisC
ChrisC
8 years ago
Reply to  Marin

Ti is great for frames, seatposts, and low-torque bolts. Wear parts (cogs, chains, etc.) not so much…

Veganpotter
Veganpotter
8 years ago
Reply to  ChrisC

Ti is better for cassettes than aluminum which many higher-end cassettes are, at least for the upper cogs. Steel is better than Ti but not as light. If a SRAM made their XX1 cassette with Ti, it would surely be lighter. It wouldn’t last as long(still better than aluminum) but it would last a while and be lighter.

SuperDave
SuperDave
7 years ago
Reply to  ChrisC

Titanium has been used for rims in the past. I think Araya made some called Titan-Ace IIRC. I’m too lazy to hit the googles.

Veganpotter
Veganpotter
8 years ago
Reply to  Marin

Carbon doesn’t really randomly explode, for many things, its far better than any metal now that we aren’t talking carbon bikes from the 90s.

Joenomad
Joenomad
8 years ago

Shimano has been using Ti on their Dura Ace cassettes for a long time. Usually from 16t and above.

TheKaiser
TheKaiser
8 years ago

I am curious about those rotors. How much contact is there between the alu fins and the steel brake surface? Shimano does a full sandwich, but the others I have seen only have edge contact which seems like it would be of dubious benefit.

uzurpator
uzurpator
8 years ago

As an old fat guy I want 254 rotor on the front of my bike. With Saints, Guides or V4 brakes to match.

me
me
8 years ago

307g for that 11-42 cassette is a shame….if Seqlite is making a 265g 11-42 cassette 10sp!

wheels
wheels
8 years ago

Stirling, what is a bit of a question is: where do you find spare parts, new pulley wheels etc if this project does not take off and get long lived? A well known company, it is atleast possible you have easier to find spare parts.

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