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Turner hops into ‘cross w/ new Cyclosys, updates Burner & switches Sultan to 27.5+

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2016 Turner Cyclosys cyclocross bike

Taking a slight divergence from mountain bikes without leaving the dirt, grass and mud, Turner is rolling out the all-new Cyclosys cyclocross bike. They’ve also updated the venerable Burner full suspension mountain bike and will offer the Sultan 29er as a 27.5+ bike. Full details are coming from Sea Otter’s pits, but here’s the preview.

The Cyclosys has been under Dave Turner’s butt on the race scene for about five years, being built and ridden as a personal project. Now, finally, he’s turning it into a production item for all to enjoy.

“In the 30 plus years I’ve been in mountain biking, I’ve seen the sport and the racing scene evolve and change over the years,” Turner says. “Some for better, some for worse. What I experienced at my first CX race in 2010 reminded me of the “good ol’ days” of MTB racing: a great sense of community and camaraderie, and a good dose of competitiveness.”

To make the most of those days, the bike uses modern features like a carbon fork, 43mm tire clearance, slick internal cable routing ports and (from the looks of it) geometry versatile enough to take it out for a day on the backroads.

2016 Turner Cyclosys cyclocross bike

2016 Turner Cyclosys cyclocross bike

2016 Turner Cyclosys cyclocross bike

2016 Turner Cyclosys cyclocross bike

2016 Turner Burner 3-1 full suspension mountain bike

The Turner Burner gets a makeover for 2016. It’s still made in America, but the frame has new “all mountain” tubing and a custom machined 62mm headtube.

2016 Turner Burner 3-1 full suspension mountain bike

2016 Turner Burner 3-1 full suspension mountain bike

The oversized headtube diameter should make for a stiffer front end.

2016 Turner Burner 3-1 full suspension mountain bike

Stealth dropper cable routing is added…

2016 Turner Burner 3-1 full suspension mountain bike

…and the seat tube is shortened by a full inch, allowing for taller dropper posts to be used.

As for the Sultan 29er, details are short other than to say they’re fitting in wide 27.5″ wheels with plus sized tires to make a bike that’s got trail cred with an insane amount of grip. As luck would have it, we were just talking with Dave about 27.5+ last week, so here’s a recap of his comments about this new style of bike:

Having mid fat capability is the future, if there is ANY good that can come of the Trek Boost 148 it is that the chain will be out further for fatter Plus tires, and this will allow riders to play with different wheels on same frame. I have a few rides on 27.5 Plus, and it is a blast, but for a little man like me I have ordered some surley 26plus to run in a Burner. It just might be the mama bears porridge of mama bears porridge, getting that happy medium of 27.5 diameter (or close) and the mid fat of a plus sized tire.

Do you ski? I think of this movement like that. FIS racers don’t ski 100+mm under foot for mogul and slalom, etc., competition, but on the other hand when standing in a lift line and see a pair of skinny skis under someone’s boots is truly rare, anything under 90 is now looking kinda twiggy. It’s either a racer, or the skier dug the crap from 1985 out of the garage for a day on the hill. Well, my theory is that the vast majority of us MTB punters will have more enjoyment from a set of Plus sized tires in the rocks roots and ruts and to hell with what the ‘pro’ uses. If we were pro we would do exactly what was needed to win. Since we are not, we should do what creates the most fun per ride. Maybe the group ride roadies can copy the pro’s the closest in terms of set up and equipment, but MTB needs to quit worrying about how Jerome or Anne Caro set their bike up and ride what their terrain and skill require.

We’ll get more info about any frame changes at the Otter, stay tuned.

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JBikes
JBikes
9 years ago

Yes!
Was just thinking it would be awesome if Turner gave us a CX bike. May be my next bike.

As for the Sultan – I own the latest 29 Sultan iteration. Can DT provide any details if the actual frame or rear triangle changed? If rear only, will a upgrade be offered?

Colin M
Colin M
9 years ago

Love those new Turners. So what Dave is saying is that the bike industry needs to keep catering to the (now) 40+ year old mountain bikers who are keeping the sport alive. Those riders are starting to understand that they are getting slower and aren’t doing epic full day rides because their kids need constant attention. So screw the weight weenie mentality and the wheelsize debate and just have fun on fatter, slower, and high grip tires.

I really wonder if the Masters racers/riders know how much power they hold in the mountain bike world? If they stopped buying a new bike every year (sometimes more than one) will the industry survive? Are there enough young folks getting into mountain biking to take the place of the veterans who have been riding since the 90s?

I can definitely say I love the mountain bike industry soap opera! Back to the rad bikes.

Eric E. Strava
Eric E. Strava
9 years ago

I love the ski industry analogy. Its a fresh perspective from a parallel industry. I also like how he admits what most mountain bikers were thinking (at least around here in the Rockies)….that fatter tires are for “punters”, people who want something that is more fun, at the expense of speed. As for me, I will gladly keep riding my normal sized tires, as I am fortunate enough to go for a couple of “epic rides, bro”, every week during the summer, and ride in steep and technical terrain where holding a line is paramount to anything else. But its refreshing to see a company chief properly allocate the mid-fat bike in the matrix of rides and riders, rather than trying to push something down my throat that I most certainly do not want. Thanks Dave, for continuing to do things the right way.

Gareth
Gareth
9 years ago

I’m actually going to be racing the new Turner CX bike this Saturday night for the Turners. I’m interested to see how she rides.

scentofreason
scentofreason
9 years ago

Colin,

You speak the truth. Here in the pacific northwest our race series is dominated (in numbers) by the 45-55 year olds (all on shiny new pricey bikes). The beginner class is a ghost town. If someone doesn’t do something to draw in the younger crowd the sport will cease to exist in 20 years (although us die hard 45 year old will be die hard 65 year olds – wouldn’t that be something, 20-30 65 year old at the start line, but only 5-6 20 year old at the start line???)

Chris L
Chris L
9 years ago

Lot of respect for Turner but two things about the cross bike:
1) Sloping top tubes are a bad idea. Smaller triangle=harder to shoulder.
2) Internal cable routing makes cable replacement that much more difficult. Less an issue for the brakes but still an issue for the derailleurs.

Sourdough
Sourdough
9 years ago

JBikes – to your question about mods to the Sultan – head over to the Turner Forum at MTBR. Some pics there of Dave rocking a Sultan with 27.5+ wheels/tires. Basically its a stock Sultan, with enough clearance for some of the 27.5+ combinations – but not all! The really wide rims and big tires aren’t going to fit. I’m guessing this is the bike he’s bring to Sea Otter.

Fan Boy
Fan Boy
9 years ago

so there is *some* benefit to Boost 148 then.

David R.
David R.
9 years ago

There is a rising new class of riders — the high schoolers racing in the various NICA leagues. Some of these kids are elite, showing up in the collegiate ranks, but many more are riding as their HS sport, or just for the fun of it. Looking around at these races, at least in SoCal/NorCal venues, there are lots of nice bikes, and a lot of committed riders. There are more riders, and more state leagues, every year.

We will see growth in the sport, and growth in the market, long term.

Turner BTW has been a supporter of the SoCal league through its infancy.

SteveO
SteveO
9 years ago

Carbon Burner please

Intrepid
Intrepid
9 years ago

What??? Not enduro tubing? But seriously, doesn’t look like the rear triangle has been updated and that’s clearly where the bike is going to fail. Front triangles don’t blow up too often these days.

Mikko
Mikko
9 years ago

The Burner is a beauty, but screams for internal cable management. I think it’s a shame that the cables are left outside the frame 🙁

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