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SOC15: Closeup look at new Turner Burner, Sultan 27.5+ and Cyclosys cyclocross bike

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2016 Turner Cyclosys alloy cyclocross and gravel bike

Just before Sea Otter, Turner Bikes teased three new models with limited details: The all-new Cyclosys cyclocross bike, a completely redesigned Burner and a Sultan with 27.5+ tires replacing its standard 29er rubber. Here’s the complete story on the new bikes…

“I’m buried in cross all fall,” Dave Turner said. “I love it. I race it all winter long. But I don’t think you need a twitchey handling race bike. And I think most ‘cross bikes end up seeing a lot of other uses the rest of the year, whether for commuting or just regular old riding. And I don’t think most people need a true gravel bike either, most of those look like a 1982 Fisher or Ritchey mountain bike. Unless you’re racing the Dirty Kanza or riding gravel across an entire state, something like the Cyclosys is plenty stable with the right kind of tires. I’ve tried to split the difference.”

2016 Turner Cyclosys alloy cyclocross and gravel bike

Top tube is flattened on the bottom throughout the back third of the tube. While most of Turner’s alloy bikes are made in the U.S., the Cyclosys is made overseas but is still 100% their own design.

2016 Turner Cyclosys alloy cyclocross and gravel bike

Dropout was designed to allow for direct post mount rear brake with no adapters.

2016 Turner Cyclosys alloy cyclocross and gravel bike

The bike comes with the new TRP disc brake ‘cross fork. Cable ports are ready for anything.

2016 Turner Cyclosys alloy cyclocross and gravel bike

Chainstays are asymmetric, a rarity for metal stays. Non drive side is big and round (25mm) and the seat tube flares to increase the stiffness at the BB for better acceleration. Seat stays are sorta thin (for an alloy bike) to make it more comfortable.

Frame and fork are $1,399, or get a complete bike with Ultegra ($3,676) or CX1 ($4,137). Paint options are the black with sky blue shown in the original story and this raw metal with black graphics. Or get a custom paint scheme for $250 extra.

2016 Turner Sultan 27.5+ full suspension mountain bike

The Sultan 27.5 plus came about because, quite simply, Dave believes the plus sized tires are going to be a good thing for most riders not trying to beat the clock on an XC circuit.

2016 Turner Sultan 27.5+ full suspension mountain bike

This is simply the Sultan 29er fitted with 27.5+ wheels and tires. Turner always builds in lots of tire clearance, so the frames could be run with 29er tires and wheels or the 27.5+ for those just curious or not wanting to buy a whole new bike. Max tire size could be up to 3.0 depending on brand…

2016 Turner Sultan 27.5+ full suspension mountain bike

…but 2.8 might be a safer bet in the back. Complete bikes will sell with the new 110mm forks to let you go even wider in the front, though.

2016 Turner Burner full suspension mountain bike gets all new tubeset

The Burner has long been one of Turner’s best selling models, and now it gets even better. More aggressive butting and non-round tubes is what makes the “all mountain” tubing, which make it stiffer and sexier. It also fits the larger head tube better. These tubing shapes were introduced on the Flux, but they’re bigger here. They’re mechanically formed by Zen Fabrications, who makes the frame. (Compare them to the round tubes still used on the Sultan and DHR)

2016 Turner Burner full suspension mountain bike gets all new tubeset

The new tube shapes let them get rid of the gusset under the downtube where it meets the head tube. A massive new headtube has an ID of 49mm top and 62 bottom, which lets you run an FSA angle adjustable internal headset. Or just run the plain Zero Stack headset from FSA that comes with it.

2016 Turner Burner full suspension mountain bike gets all new tubeset

The other big change is the full inch cut off the top of the seat tube. That lets you run a longer travel dropper seatpost, of just make a dropper post fit better for those kinda in between frame sizes. Dave says this is gonna freak people out when it comes to choosing a frame size because they all look smaller now, so pay attention to the ETT (effective top tube), because the seat tubes are all going to seem short on the geo chart. Or just trust their suggested sizing.

2016 Turner Burner full suspension mountain bike gets all new tubeset

The Burner has 140mm rear wheel travel, Cane Creek DB Air highly recommended to make the most of it.

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Steve Copley
Steve Copley
9 years ago

I’d give up a testicle for that Burner… It’s gorgeous (the bike, that is)

James S
James S
9 years ago

If I were looking for a new mountain bike, the Sultan and the Burner would definitely be at the top of the list. As for the cyclocross bike, the fact that’s it not made in the USA bums me out. Seems like a slippery slope kind of thing. Next Turner will introduce Chinese made carbon frames and then they will decide they could make a lot more profit by having all the aluminum frames made in Taiwan. Maybe I’m just being paranoid, but I’ve seen it happen before.

John
John
9 years ago

I wonder what the bottom bracket drop measures on the Cyclosys? That’s the second biggest fault builders seem to make when trying to build gravel bikes using existing cyclocross frames (the first being the twitchy CX geometry already mentioned.)

Really, the problem with builders who rebrand their CX frames as “gravel bikes” is that they clearly have never ridden a gravel century on one of their own creations. If they had, the shortcomings of a CX frame would be obvious.

Johann
Johann
9 years ago

Wow, you shouldn’t pick your frame size based on seat tube length? Really? So Dave realized this is not a road bike! Fantastic! Though I’d pick mine beased on reach rather than ett, or at worst a combination of the 2. A nice seated position is surely important as we spend more time riding up than down, but an adequate standing position is crucial on an all-mountain and dh bike.

JD
JD
9 years ago

If only Dave would lengthen the dam TT on his bikes!

Cheese
Cheese
9 years ago

“Cyclosys is made overseas.”
Crap.

Sheepo5669
Sheepo5669
9 years ago

Disappointing. We saw the same thing with Intense a few years back. Now they harly offer any US made frames.

2finger
2finger
9 years ago

Aluminum gravel bike?

priority drinker
priority drinker
9 years ago

Seriously! An overseas CX frame but asking for more carbon options is like pulling teeth. (deleted) please just make all of your frames(minus the Flux and Khan), in carbon, too?

Actually, just a carbon Burner would do just fine:-)

Jeb
Jeb
9 years ago

@John, that’s ridiculous. I ride big Gravel events on a Ridley x-night with a super fast Geometry and a high BB and it works just fine. Chris Mcgoern won Lost and Found on an older ridley with the same Euro cross geometry. If you aren’t a spazz on the bike Cross geometry works fine.

matt
matt
9 years ago

I don’t understand the redesigned tubes on the front triangle. I personally know of three burner/ 5 spot rear triangles that have bent. Never heard of front triangle issues. Seems like a marketing gimic to me and an excuse to keep charging more money.

gb
gb
9 years ago

The guy who designed this bike rides “gravel grinders.” Saw him at the Crusher last year testing bikes. Also this was designed in USA and produced overseas. most of the bike y’all are riding are neither designed or made in USA. @Cheese…so ignorant.

Cheese
Cheese
9 years ago

Every one of the frames I own was designed and made in North America. Three of them were made by the same folks that now make Turner’s US made frames and used to make (at Sapa) all of Santa Cruz’s frames before they shipped all manufacturing off to Taiwan and China. GB, so ignorant.

Ryan
Ryan
9 years ago

Turner Czars are made in Taiwan.. They are one of the best finished carbon frames I’ve ever seen.. People still buy them, even if they’re not made in ‘Murica and they are worth every pretty penny

WingnutPA
WingnutPA
9 years ago

So the “new” Sultan isn’t new at all, just slapped different tires/wheels on it? Seems kinda silly to try and present it as a “new” bike. Personally, I was hoping for a truly “new” Sultan. Something with slacker angles, longer reach and sub 18 inch chainstays.

I guess if you’re gonna have 18.2 inch long chainstays, might as well jam some fatter tires in there:)

Also, if I were going to buy an aluminum Turner I’d want it to be U.S. made. Otherwise, what’s point? It would be like buying an alloy Intense made overseas. Just doesn’t seem right…

CXM
CXM
9 years ago

Jeb, FYI, Chris M did so much for the Lost and Found, but didn’t ride a Ridley, and didn’t win the event.

Josh
Josh
9 years ago

I sold my Sultan a few years back but after seeing the 27+ setup on there I called the new owner and I made him the old owner. The Sulstress is back and its going fat.

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