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SRAM Guide Ultimate hydraulic mountain bike brakes ride review details and actual weights

Earlier this year, SRAM one-upped their already remarkable Guide brakes with an Ultimate version that improved upon the little things. After all, if it ain’t broke, you may as well still go ahead and tinker with it anyway, right?

While the levers were mostly left alone, they did upgrade to titanium hardware and a carbon fiber lever. Internally, they’re the same, carrying off all of the tool-free adjustments of the now second-in-the-line RSC model. That means dialed reach and pad contact adjustments just a few finger twists away, both with a useable range of adjustment.

The calipers saw many more updates inside and out to make service easier, save a few grams and keep them cooler under hard, extended use. Stop on in for a comparison to RSC, actual weights and first ride impressions…

SRAM Guide Ultimate hydraulic mountain bike brakes comparison to Guide RSC

Only hardware and lever material change here…

SRAM Guide Ultimate hydraulic mountain bike brakes comparison to Guide RSC

…and at a quick glance, you’d be hard pressed to tell the difference.

SRAM Guide Ultimate hydraulic mountain bike brakes comparison to Guide RSC
LEFT: Ultimate on bottom. RIGHT: Ultimate on top.

The calipers also look similar at first glance, but there are several external changes. The bleed port moves from the outside top to the inside bottom, and is now covered by a rubber plug. The inside caliper body is also smooth, without the ridge shaping it like on the RSC. Both versions keep the ridge on the outside face.

While the RSC’s caliper looks much more chiseled than the Ultimate, the new brakes are lighter by more than a couple grams.

SRAM Guide Ultimate hydraulic mountain bike brakes comparison to Guide RSC

The less chiseled look is more apparent from the bottom…

SRAM Guide Ultimate hydraulic mountain bike brakes comparison to Guide RSC

…and the top, but note the more forward position of the hose banjo. That makes room for a bigger opening around the pads, which allows for much more air flow (better cooling) and space to remove the pads from the top.

SRAM Guide Ultimate hydraulic mountain bike brakes comparison to Guide RSC

SRAM also opened up space around the pistons to further improve airflow. That, combined with material and design changes to the pistons and seals all help them shed heat faster than before. The full internal tech details are in this post.

SRAM Guide Ultimate hydraulic mountain bike brakes ride review details and actual weights

The lever’s bleed port is the same, using the original Avid bleed plug and plunger system. The hoses come in at 1800mm for the rear, and I ended up cutting off about 170 of those millimeters off to fit a size large Niner JET9 RDO. Conveniently, that gave me a reason to test the new Bleeding Edge port on the calipers.

SRAM Guide Ultimate hydraulic mountain bike brakes ride review details and actual weights

The original bleed plug is on the left, the new Bleeding Edge plug is on the right. The original threads in to create the seal, the new one pops in, then the red bezel threads away from the caliper to lock it into place and open up the port.

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Not sure if it was the insides of the caliper or the red bezel, but the first turn required grabbing it with pliers to get thing started. When finished, just thread it back toward the caliper and pull it out. No fuss, no muss.

SRAM GUIDE ULTIMATE ACTUAL WEIGHTS

SRAM Guide Ultimate hydraulic mountain bike brakes ride review details and actual weights

With stock length hoses (950mm and 1800mm), the brakes weigh in at 231g and 250g. My Guide RSC brakes weighed in at 241g and 259g, giving the Ultimates a 19g savings.

SRAM Guide Ultimate hydraulic mountain bike brakes ride review details and actual weights

More weight is supposed to be saved at the rotors with the new Centerline X two-piece rotors, but I got the standard models with the brakes. SRAM sells the rotors separately so you can get exactly the size you need, which is the way more and more brands are going. Actual weights for the 160mm and 180mm are 112g and 145g respectively. Claimed weights for the two-piece versions are 102g and 125g, saving 10-20g depending on size.

SRAM Guide Ultimate hydraulic mountain bike brakes ride review details and actual weights

Parts come in at 13g (20mm direct mount spacer), 13g (caliper mounting bolts), 23mm (IS adapter) and 7g (six rotor bolts).

FIRST IMPRESSIONS

SRAM Guide Ultimate hydraulic mountain bike brakes ride review details and actual weights

I’d be lying if I said the Ultimates feel drastically different than the RSC Guide brakes. I installed and rode them prior to reviewing the announcement from March that detailed all the changes, lest it skew my opinions, and here’s what stood out: The lever feels slightly (and I do mean SLIGHTLY) springier, bouncing back a bit more quickly and seeming to have an ever so gentler push back against the finger…in a good way. It makes modulation easier and provides a more responsive brake.

From there, braking performance around my local XC trails is identical (I did back to back test sections since I have the RSC mounted to a second JET9). It’ll take a trip to the big mountains with sustained descents to tell if the improved heat management designs do anything (they certainly can’t hurt), but the RSC brakes were already fantastic on big, long, steep descents.

SRAM Guide Ultimate hydraulic mountain bike brakes ride review details and actual weights

The biggest improvements really come in the form of user friendliness. Not that you should have to bleed them often (my RSC brakes have been flawless for a year without doing anything but riding them), but the Bleeding Edge design is brilliant. Not a drop of fluid escaped when removing the plunger. Now, if only they’d add it to the levers, too, it’d be perfect.

SRAM Guide Ultimate hydraulic mountain bike brakes ride review details and actual weights

The ability to swap pads without having to remove the brakes is another big improvement, especially since this is likely to be a more frequent service issue than bleeding.

Are they worth the $80-per-wheel premium over the RSC model? If you’re frequently pushing the limits of your brakes or tend to service them often, probably so. Otherwise, since the standard Guide brakes are so good, it really comes down to that age-old question of dollars spent to grams saved.

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Ryan
Ryan
8 years ago

Have these and LOVE them!

MsC
MsC
8 years ago

“Not sure if it was the insides of the caliper or the red bezel, but the first turn required grabbing it with pliers to get thing started.” I had the same with my Ultimates. Just remove the Bleeding Edge plug again, and use a hex key to open the bleed port the first time. Close it and insert the Bleeding Edge plug, piece of cake 🙂

Roy
Roy
8 years ago

I have the RSC, fantastic. Cut hose, bled once, haven’t touched them in a few pad changes. They are the quietest, smoothest brakes I have ever ridden, bar none. I have ridden the XT many times and although really nice, the RSC are just more solid feeling, smoother braking and way more powerful, all with the same size rotor of course.

Brendan
Brendan
8 years ago

I don’t understand the top-loading pads being a selling point. If you’re replacing worn-out pads, you have to remove your wheel so you can push pistons back in anyway. If you’re replacing contaminated pads, you have to remove your wheel to scrub the rotor with brake cleaner.

Terry
Terry
8 years ago

are these pure hydraulic? will they work with a 203 rotor?

Patrick
Patrick
8 years ago

@Terry: Yes, and with the appropriately sized brake adapter, yes.

Guide me to the moon
Guide me to the moon
8 years ago

Guide is the brake SRAM should have replaced elixir with 2 years ago. That said, these are all the xtr is, with better modulation. And I just have the RSCs…

rupert3k
rupert3k
8 years ago

I run a set of the cheaper Guide R on centreline 2’s and they are excellent but from my own experience i would still give the nod to Saint M820 followed by XT M785 / M8000.

mateo
mateo
8 years ago

@rupert3k – The Guide R doesn’t have the Swinglink that is present in the RS, RSC, and Ultimate versions, so the leverage curve isn’t the same.

gsmith
gsmith
8 years ago

@Brendan Agreed. What does matter is that the pads are clearly visible from the top (to check wear) and that they are easy to install with the wheel removed (and for the record the older guide calipers are top loadable you just have to tilt the pads and wiggle em in, not a big problem)

Ol' Shel'
Ol' Shel'
8 years ago

If the manufacturers really cared about modulation they’d forget about top-loading pads and they’d bridge the caliper sides directly over the top. like a fork arch or an old canti brake bridge. They could still create plenty of openings for cooling. That said, people think they need top-loading pads, so the brands provide it.

And the ultra-slim lever mounts and carbon levers that create more flex don;t enhance modulation, they harm it. You want every bit of your input to be transferred through the fluid to the pistons and rotor, not used causing flex in the components. People FEEL like that squishiness helps them, but it does not. It only dulls the response.

Jake
Jake
8 years ago

Hi BikeRumor, can you please re-weigh and post pictures of the brakes WITH CLAMPS?

You can’t just publish weights in a completely different format to every other brand just because Avid use matchmaker or whatever. It’s completely useless. Check the sicklines brake listings if necessary and notice that the standard format is as-pictured here, except with clamps.

Wictor
Wictor
8 years ago

Not so amazed by my simple R-version that came with my bike.. Super difficult to bleed and weak compared to my friends XT breaks (and he’s even got smaller rotor size!). And apparently I can’t buy RS/RSC levers separately so might as well switch brands I guess…

rupert3k
rupert3k
8 years ago

After bleeding my Guide R’s and some new organic pads they’re now running much better.
Easily up there with Saint & XT plus I suspect Centreline 2 rotors run a bit quieter.
When Guides came out I surveyed the feature set & to my mind the swinglink was merely another servo-wave type arrangement.
I’m sure the Ultimates are cool but I picked up the Guides R’s for $140 with rotors.

Eddie Clark
Eddie Clark
8 years ago

So if I understand correctly you can only use the bleed adaptor with the red star nut on ultimate so? Is this correct ? I’m using my Avid rotors not the recommended ones and they seem fine, no noise at all. I may get the the other ones in the future. 203 disc current. Haven’t yet tried long steep downhills so cooling hasn’t been a issue. My only gripe would be the plasticy screw for lever adjustment seems cheap, I’m scared it may break lol. Good price for a over all good brake so far.

Eddie Clark
Eddie Clark
8 years ago

Only thing next is dual disc up front lol can you imagine ?

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