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So it’s the magical time of year when we’re all transported to the French Alps. It’s when the Tour de France is on in the background while we’re supposed to be working, and when every climb feels like it might be the one where someone finally cracks.

It’s also when we start looking past the obvious favorites, wondering if a rider tucked somewhere in the bunch is about to have the day of his life and turn the race upside down. Then the real mountains arrive, the new climate turns cruel, the roads pitch up, and the attrition rate rises. It’s awesome, and it’s cycling at its best.

Last but not least, we ask, “Is what I’m watching naturally possible, or am I signing up to be let down by another super-human once-in-a-lifetime effort?”

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Is The Tour de France Clean?

The latter question has bubbled to the top more in recent years, especially as Tadej Pogačar looks all but clear for a 5th Tour de France victory. Anyone who lived (and believed) through the Lance Armstrong era knows the feeling, that cheated feeling.

Who can we really ask about these kinda of things? Our buddy (and persistent thorn in cycling’s doping side) Phil Gaimon decided to take a different approach to his yearly “are they doping?” Tour de France talk.

This time, Gaimon brings on Tom Danielson for a longer conversation about doping. If you know anything about Tom Danielson, this is a pretty big deal. You can check it out in the video below or in the linked podcast.

This guest choice is not random. Danielson comes with his own history, including doping sanctions. It is a conversation between people who know the sport’s baggage. But still think the current peloton deserves more than blanket suspicion every time the racing gets hard to believe.

Gaimon is not asking anyone to forget cycling’s past, hes asking us not to forget; it’s impossible not to. Because there’s a difference between healthy skepticism and just yelling “doping” at every result you do not understand.

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So…Are They All Doping?

The conversation between Gaimon and Danleison delves into the uncomfortable aspects of being a cycling fan in 2026. We want fast racing, big attacks, and history-making performances. Unfortunately… when they happen, half the internet decides they must be fake. That tension is not going away, especially at the Tour.

But Gaimon’s conversation is worth hearing. Because the past matters, up-to-date drug testing matters, and transparency matters. So does giving current riders at least some room to race before dragging every old scandal back onto their shoulders.

Doping talk will always be part of cycling. Maybe it should be. The sport earned that baggage the hard way. But this video is a better conversation than the usual comment-section sludge.

Watch the video, hear the argument, then decide where you land.

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Sevo
Sevo
23 days ago

“First thing you need to remember is that first and foremost is that cycling is entertainment. The rules are in place to keep riders safe, if the rider does not test positive the rider is being safe.” -Equipment Supplier to Pro Tour Riders

There hasn’t been a Tour won “clean” at least since the 70s, and many have argued likely ever. The early days they did morphine and cocaine. Morphine dulled the pain and cocaine for the last miles. Small amounts not party levels.

Also remember Lance was on EPO, long before there was a test for it. Hell people were using it before it was made illegal and when it was made illegal it took 15 years to develop a test for it. EPO was created 30 years ago. Science has evolved greatly since.


Riders these days are basically just race horses that get a cut of the money. Don’t kid yourself, they’re all on something and always will be.

Tom
Tom
23 days ago
Reply to  Sevo

Just like American football. I’m not kidding myself at all, I don’t watch sports to confirm any particular moral standing, I wants sports for entertainment. I watch cycling to see men and women far faster than me stomp their way up mountains at incredible speeds.

The only people kidding themselves would be those holding cycling to a higher standard than any other professional sport.

Sevo
Sevo
16 days ago
Reply to  Tom

Notice in American football we never have athletes claiming to be clean nor are fans remotely oblivious to the fact they are on drugs. Cycling however is quite different. And while I’m no lance fanboy, his big mistake was making tv ads and such stating he was clean….even when he wasn’t.

Robin
Robin
23 days ago
Reply to  Sevo

What people “argue” is irrelevant, and the claim “There hasn’t been a Tour won “clean” at least since the 70s” has no factual basis, i.e zero evidence in hand that every single winner of the TdF from the “70s” onward has doped.

  1. History does not accurately predict the future. At best, history’s statistics might offer some probabilities for insight into the present or future, but the probability of a TdF winner today being “doped” is dependent on many more factors than what some winner in the past did.
  2. Probabilistic ≠ deterministic. The Internet and some “experts” struggle with the difference.
  3. Made up statistics or probabilities have no value. Any calculation of the probability of a TdF winner today being doped is based on a lot of assumptions and guesses. As Thomas Bayes famously said, “98% of all probabilities and statistics quoted in internet comment sections are made up on the spot.”
  4. Suspicion and incredulity are not evidence or facts.
Sevo
Sevo
16 days ago
Reply to  Robin

Ah I too was once so naive. But sorry that’s not suspicion taking.

Jon
Jon
23 days ago
Reply to  Sevo

Since Eddy Merckx won the Tour in 1969 and literally tested positive 3 times during his career when drug testing was much less rigorous or prevalent I would guess that doping was at least as common before 1970. I doubt that any sport is completely clean but today cycling seems much cleaner than it was during the EPO and blood doping era. With the biological passport and out of competition testing they can’t be as juiced as they were. I trust Phil and Tom a lot more than I do random anonymous internet commenters.

Jeb
Jeb
19 days ago
Reply to  Jon
  • So here’s the funny part, the shit Merckx tested positive for (Amphetamines) have proven to not only NOT be a performance enhancer in endurance sports but actually hinder performance, per numerous studies. Most shit does nothing to very little and is mostly placebo. See this from the findings on the latest epo efficacy study in endurance sports performance.
  • There is low-to-moderate quality evidence suggesting that, independent of dosage, rHuEPO may be more beneficial than placebo in enhancing haematological, pulmonary measures, maximal power output and time to exhaustion.
  • These improvements are almost exclusively seen during maximal exercise intensities.
Sevo
Sevo
16 days ago
Reply to  Jeb

Look up the timeline compiled years back of his wins and when he was not and how it lines up perfectly with when key drugs became available and when the tests for them came out. It lines up perfectly. Also read Joe Parkins book dog in a hat.

Sevo
Sevo
16 days ago
Reply to  Jon

Might wanna google the timeline of his race wins and when certain drugs came out and when the test for them came out. It lines up perfectly.

Kyle
Kyle
23 days ago

The doper with a training business thinks that you can go faster than dopers by training right?

Phil is so uncritical when it comes to Tommy D. He’s blinded by his feelings for the guy.

Tom
Tom
23 days ago
Reply to  Kyle

I agree with your point about training vs. doping and upvoted accordingly, but I do think there is a significant difference between the doping of rank-and-file riders like Danielson and someone like Armstrong.

Everyone was doping in the 90s and early 2000s. Those who didn’t dope didn’t get to remain in the pro peloton (see Travis Tygart). But where I give Phil grace in this case is that Tom Danielson doped, rode his bike and generally stayed out of the way. Lance destroyed people’s lives and careers with his aggressive lawsuits and personal attacks. I’m certain Phil has VERY different feelings toward someone like Lance than he does Tom. And he should.

It’s also worth stating that unless any of us know Tom (or Phil for that matter) personally, we really have no leg to stand on when casting judgement.

Kyle
Kyle
23 days ago
Reply to  Tom

I don’t think I’ve ever heard Phil equivocate in that way. I’ve only heard him make the point that for every doper in the peloton there was a clean rider who was missing out on contracts and race starts. He views the rank and file doping as damaging on a personal level.

I think it’s fine to judge Tom D. He participated in a culture of doping that left a trail of damage to lives, careers and the sport itself. It’s great that he says he regrets it but I think it’s fine to be skeptical too.

And my comment about Phil being uncritical is entirely my opinion but I don’t think it’s unfair. It’s just hard to square his obvious affection for Tom with his stance on doping.

Tom
Tom
23 days ago
Reply to  Kyle

Fair point for sure and I appreciate the response.

Where I’m coming from isn’t directly related but is parallel. I don’t drink alcohol. At all. Not a drop in years. My best friend is an alcoholic. I don’t like his drinking. I don’t approve of his drinking. But he’s still my friend. He was my friend before I got sober. I’m still his friend today. People may judge me for that and I’m OK with that. I can only assume Phil is of a similar mindset in this case.

Evan
Evan
20 days ago
Reply to  Tom

phil launched his influencer “business” by being the guy who spoke out about villainous dopers. He was silent when his BFF got busted the second time. Now he is trying to trot this guy out for more attention. Somehow dopers are evil unless they’re you’re buddy.

Tom
Tom
19 days ago
Reply to  Evan

No need for quotation marks, it is a legitimate business and a successful one.

I understand why people are so quick to cast judgement. Online rage and self-fueled superiority make people feel like they are better than others. I get it. It’s the internet, that’s just how it works. But I long for a day when people stop pointing fingers, embrace a bit of empathy and listen to learn & understand rather than to look for something to attack.

Is Danielson innocent? Absolutely not. Is he the same as someone like Lance? Also, absolutely not. Is Phil somehow wrong for being friends with Tom? I don’t think so. Should Tom be exiled and forever forbidden from engaging with other humans? Nope. Should we all be judged by our worst mistakes and had them held against us forever? No. There is room for forgiveness. There is room for reconciliation. There is room for humanity. Just not on the internet, apparently.

Evan
Evan
17 days ago
Reply to  Tom

What has Tom Danielson done that would warrant reconciliation? When he was popped the second time he responded by going on a testosterone fueled rampage on Strava and denying, denying, denying. Now years later, if you actually watch the interview, he will walk out the tired trope that the performance enhancing drugs didn’t actually improve his performance, so what has he learned from this experience? The guy is a clear egomaniac, unrepentant, and frankly a bit embarrassing to listen to. But he has built a second life as the uncharismatic leader of a cult of outcasts outside of Boulder, so I guess there are plenty of folks out there who find the outcast sympathetic.

Tom
Tom
17 days ago
Reply to  Evan

Like you said, years later…..

You can go through life being a miserable, angry, bitter judgmental grouch if you want to. No one will stop you, least of all me. But I choose to believe in second chances. Someone game me one, and I’m grateful. It’s clear you would have cast me to the fire and for that, you make me sad.

SteveH
SteveH
6 days ago
Reply to  Tom

He had a second chance and he blew it,

Sevo
Sevo
16 days ago
Reply to  Evan

Tom is actually an alright guy. Have friends that are friends with him and he’s actually a good dude. Just did what everyone else has done and will always do to compete.

RyanS
RyanS
23 days ago

It’s cute people keep arguing about “modern testing”, as if that means something. The testing has always been behind the science…forever. Anti-doping has always been reactive to what the peloton has been doing, they have never been proactive to the latest cutting edge trends. There will always be undetectable methods. Also we’ve come to a point now where cyclists believe as long as it is not intravenous blood manipulation it is not doping. Everyone who has gone from the junior ranks to the Tour de France can probably say there was a point where they’ve taken a bottle, supplement, pill, or maybe injection that they can’t say for total certainty what was in it.

YoEggy
YoEggy
21 days ago
Reply to  RyanS

And while the current top riders are not Armstrong and I’m not commenting on the current riders, we should remember that the UCI themselves are complicit in doping when a rider is ‘too big to fail’ –

The 1999 Tour de France: Armstrong tested positive for corticosteroids four times. The UCI accepted a backdated medical prescription arranged by the team to justify the results and keep them confidential.

The 2001 Tour de Suisse: Armstrong submitted highly suspicious, borderline positive tests for EPO. Instead of pursuing disciplinary action, the UCI held private meetings with Armstrong and his team. Armstrong later donated $100,000 to the governing body, which was used to purchase blood analysis equipment.

Cover-Up Confirmation: A 2015 report by the independent Cycling Independent Reform Commission (CIRC) formally concluded that the UCI protected, exempted, and publicly defended Armstrong, colluding with him to bypass doping accusations.

mrvco
mrvco
23 days ago

I tune it out right up until someone actually tests positive or they find a team car with a trunk full of banned substances. I’m not going to waste energy getting all spun up just because someone is winning or even dominating… unless I don’t like them for some reason

Billyshoo
Billyshoo
23 days ago

As a young American male in the ’90s (thanks to Greg LeMond’s SI cover, which turned me on to the sport), pro cycling was my “football.” I was a pretty rabid fan. I worked long days so every Friday night was spent staying up way too late, catching up on all my reading in VeloNews. We named sons “Christophe” (Moreau) and “Thierry” (Marie). I bought and read my kids the “Tour of the Forest Bike Race.” In the summer of ’96, even though we didn’t have TV, we got cable so we could watch the cycling events of the Atlanta games and Le Tour.

Then the Festina scandal of the ’98 tour broke my heart. I wasn’t the type of fan who idolized any one guy – I found something to like about each of the stars and those who supported them – but I loved that team, even procured a Festina watch for myself, and that fiasco gutted me. I tuned out and dropped out and ever since then I’ve only maintained, at most, a superficial familiarity with the peloton. Years later, when Lance’s legacy imploded, I took it as affirmation of my decision.

I’m convinced pretty much everyone dopes but even if it’s only a few, that ruins the enjoyment for me. I really like Greg LeMond but am not sure even he was clean. Every couple years I’ll watch a Tour segment replay on YouTube – haven’t yet this year – but I never get worked up over the results. I watch it for the spectacle of the sport (and the countryside over which it plays out), but never the competition. It’s still a beautiful, brilliant sport, and probably always will be, but I doubt I’ll ever find it as compelling as I used to back when I maintained a blissful ignorance of the facts of pro cycling life.

Tom
Tom
22 days ago
Reply to  Billyshoo

Do you watch other professional sports? Not a jab, an honest question. I highly doubt that athletes in any professional sport are clean.

I like what you said about the spectacle and the countryside. It is truly beautiful. But as I shared in another comment, if we attach a particular moral code to something that is effectively nothing more than entertainment, what’s the point? We might as well get rid of all professional sports then.

Please understand this is not in any way a personal criticism. I’m guessing we’re around the same age based on the context you’ve shared. I too was a big fan of Lemond and I too was shaken by the Festina affair. In the end, I feel that event simply opened my eyes and ultimately, changed my view of what professional sport really is. Is it good? Is it bad? That’s not for me as just one person to decide for the rest of the world. If that ruined the sport for you, I get it. But for me, the sport remains beautiful, even with its flaws.

Last edited 22 days ago by Tom
Billyshoo
Billyshoo
22 days ago
Reply to  Tom

Hi, Tom!

As a matter of fact, yes, I follow MotoGP (big MM93 fan but am happy to see anyone do well) and UCI DH (love Bruni, Pierron, and Vermette but again, am able to root for any of the athletes). And yeah, I realize any of those guys could be taking PEDs. But – and again, I might be ignorant here – I don’t see drugs doing much to help you succeed in either of those sports. And I don’t see these guys dropping dead like Il Pirata. Regardless, I’m not as gung ho of a fan as I used to be; I’m content with the highlight reels on race weekends.

I resonate with all your comments and understand what you say about sport being entertainment, but I, maybe too romantically, think competition oughta’ be more than that. In addition to athletic giftings, exhaustive effort, competitive spirit, and tenacity, I think it should also involve the better qualities of human nature such as honor and noble character and sometimes even, counterintuitively, selflessness (i.e. sportsmanship). I’m fiercely competitive but at the end of the day, if I’m playing volleyball and my team loses, as long as everyone gave it their all, I’m great with that. But if you’re slacking or not taking it seriously, I get pretty steamed. And I believe competitive sports have to abide by rules. If it’s a free-for-all, where’s the sport in that? And to that end, and to answer your last question: If there are going to be rules, then there’s such a thing as cheating and yeah, cheating is bad. See what it did to our once-rosy outlooks pre-’98 Tour, and what the fallout did to the Andreus and others who called out Lance’s behavior.

Tom
Tom
20 days ago
Reply to  Billyshoo

What you said here is beautiful and I absolutely love holding this as the ideal:

“think competition oughta’ be more than that. In addition to athletic giftings, exhaustive effort, competitive spirit, and tenacity, I think it should also involve the better qualities of human nature such as honor and noble character and sometimes even, counterintuitively, selflessness (i.e. sportsmanship)”

YoEggy
YoEggy
21 days ago
Reply to  Billyshoo

You know what, Lemond is the only guy I still believe in of that whole pre-Armstrong era. But that’s just a hunch. It does seem illogical to believe a clean rider beat all the best who (as far as we know) had some assistance back then, and the late 80s early 90s was the start of the EPO era. But I think Lemond was a clear winner.

Greg
Greg
20 days ago
Reply to  YoEggy

Nah

Tom
Tom
19 days ago
Reply to  Greg

If you’d like to contribute to the conversation, we’d appreciate you sharing your take on the topic.

Last edited 19 days ago by Tom
Tom
Tom
19 days ago
Reply to  Tom

I’ll take the downvote as a signal that we don’t actually want people like Greg contributing to the discussion and although I’d normally disagree, in this case I believe it makes sense. Sorry Greg, no one likes you.

Oli
Oli
17 days ago
Reply to  YoEggy

He had the performance and blood profile since the mid 80s of someone taking EPO. Something which he continues to claim is ‘impossible’, since EPO supposedly didn’t enter the peleton until 1989. But that’s completely untrue. As a Californian, Greg is well aware that labs in said state were conducting trials on athletes (including cyclists) with EPO from 1983 onwards. It’s almost like he had a huge advantage and then lost it when blood doping became more widespread. After he was shot, many journalists called for him to release the blood tests done on him at admission to hospital. A truly random out of competition, out of season test. He flatly refused. He also had wildly obvious bulking and cutting phases as many cyclists and athletes did back then, with less sophisticated anabolic cycles.

Last edited 17 days ago by Oli
Rich R
Rich R
23 days ago

I think Phil probably knows more about what happened with TD in 2015 than he’s ever let on. Why was it only a four year ban when, if the allegations were true, you’d expect a lifetime ban? Was it because of the amount involved?

JV has always seemed pretty cagey whenever Tommy D comes up.

The rumour has always been that the team gave him the supplement he tested positive for, and they paid TD to make it go away. Then JV ends up dating his ex-wife. If any of that rumour is true, you’d have to wonder if he regrets taking the hush money now.

Seems like he is in a good place now!

Tom
Tom
22 days ago
Reply to  Rich R

As you stated, it’s a rumor. I realize this is the internet but pushing rumors over facts only serves to muddy waters that are already cloudy. I’m not saying the rumor is false, what I’m saying is that we don’t know. Facts and rumors are not the same thing and we’d all serve each other much better remembering that.

Last edited 22 days ago by Tom
Greg
Greg
21 days ago

Either way I don’t care.

nooner
nooner
21 days ago

ProTip When watching any Phil Gaimon video slow/adjust the playback speed to 0.85 and it becomes watchable.

Collin S
Collin S
20 days ago
Reply to  nooner

2x always for everyone.

Troy
Troy
21 days ago

I don’t race, but I dope for the Strava segments. I use ketamine and extended release DMT, I can never remember anything, but I always never get a segment. Still working out the formula.

Frank
Frank
18 days ago
Reply to  Troy

Ah, so that’s why I no longer hold any Strava segments!

(just kidding! It was age and bad knees).

tertius_decimus
tertius_decimus
13 days ago
Reply to  Troy

Try blood transfusions as per dr. Ferrari recommendation. Satisfaction guaranteed.

Nathan
Nathan
21 days ago

Im not a physician. I am a nurse who has followed cycling, and subsequently doping, since velonews was stapled and hand illustrated. The peloton did not slow down when Lance left. Its faster now. We are always punishing the athletes. But those paying for results dont suffer.
I am also convinced spectators want to see superhuman efforts. Not human.

Robin
Robin
17 days ago
Reply to  Nathan

Well your guess about what spectators want to see isn’t universally true, if it’s even true for any spectator. I’m willing to bed that there are a lot of spectators who want to see clean riders and their best efforts.

The speed of the peloton while Armstrong was riding and after Armstrong quit tells us nothing about doping in the peloton today. You might want to look into all of the factors that influence the speed of today’s peloton.

Sevo
Sevo
16 days ago
Reply to  Robin

Hahahaha. Can keep your head in the sand all ya want it doesn’t mean you’re right.

tertius_decimus
tertius_decimus
13 days ago
Reply to  Robin

You are correct. Especially in your last statement. Such factors as electric motors do, indeed, greatly influence the speed of today’s peloton.

Sevo
Sevo
16 days ago
Reply to  Nathan

You are 1000% correct. The rest of the folks just don’t want to admit this is true. It’s still very very true.

Doc Sarvis
Doc Sarvis
16 days ago

As I age I care less and less about weather its clean or not. There is so much financial pressure to do so I just assume its happening anyway.

tertius_decimus
tertius_decimus
13 days ago
Reply to  Doc Sarvis

The best way to cook a frog is to put it in the water and slowly increase the temperature little-by-little. 1 degree at a time. No rushing. No get-there-itis.

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