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Ask A Doper: Is The Tour de France Really Clean?

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So it’s the magical time of year when we’re all transported to the French Alps. It’s when the Tour de France is on in the background while we’re supposed to be working, and when every climb feels like it might be the one where someone finally cracks.

It’s also when we start looking past the obvious favorites, wondering if a rider tucked somewhere in the bunch is about to have the day of his life and turn the race upside down. Then the real mountains arrive, the new climate turns cruel, the roads pitch up, and the attrition rate rises. It’s awesome, and it’s cycling at its best.

Last but not least, we ask, “Is what I’m watching naturally possible, or am I signing up to be let down by another super-human once-in-a-lifetime effort?”

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Is The Tour de France Clean?

The latter question has bubbled to the top more in recent years, especially as Tadej Pogačar looks all but clear for a 5th Tour de France victory. Anyone who lived (and believed) through the Lance Armstrong era knows the feeling, that cheated feeling.

Who can we really ask about these kinda of things? Our buddy (and persistent thorn in cycling’s doping side) Phil Gaimon decided to take a different approach to his yearly “are they doping?” Tour de France talk.

This time, Gaimon brings on Tom Danielson for a longer conversation about doping. If you know anything about Tom Danielson, this is a pretty big deal. You can check it out in the video below or in the linked podcast.

This guest choice is not random. Danielson comes with his own history, including doping sanctions. It is a conversation between people who know the sport’s baggage. But still think the current peloton deserves more than blanket suspicion every time the racing gets hard to believe.

Gaimon is not asking anyone to forget cycling’s past, hes asking us not to forget; it’s impossible not to. Because there’s a difference between healthy skepticism and just yelling “doping” at every result you do not understand.

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So…Are They All Doping?

The conversation between Gaimon and Danleison delves into the uncomfortable aspects of being a cycling fan in 2026. We want fast racing, big attacks, and history-making performances. Unfortunately… when they happen, half the internet decides they must be fake. That tension is not going away, especially at the Tour.

But Gaimon’s conversation is worth hearing. Because the past matters, up-to-date drug testing matters, and transparency matters. So does giving current riders at least some room to race before dragging every old scandal back onto their shoulders.

Doping talk will always be part of cycling. Maybe it should be. The sport earned that baggage the hard way. But this video is a better conversation than the usual comment-section sludge.

Watch the video, hear the argument, then decide where you land.

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Sevo
Sevo
1 day ago

“First thing you need to remember is that first and foremost is that cycling is entertainment. The rules are in place to keep riders safe, if the rider does not test positive the rider is being safe.” -Equipment Supplier to Pro Tour Riders

There hasn’t been a Tour won “clean” at least since the 70s, and many have argued likely ever. The early days they did morphine and cocaine. Morphine dulled the pain and cocaine for the last miles. Small amounts not party levels.

Also remember Lance was on EPO, long before there was a test for it. Hell people were using it before it was made illegal and when it was made illegal it took 15 years to develop a test for it. EPO was created 30 years ago. Science has evolved greatly since.


Riders these days are basically just race horses that get a cut of the money. Don’t kid yourself, they’re all on something and always will be.

Tom
Tom
1 day ago
Reply to  Sevo

Just like American football. I’m not kidding myself at all, I don’t watch sports to confirm any particular moral standing, I wants sports for entertainment. I watch cycling to see men and women far faster than me stomp their way up mountains at incredible speeds.

The only people kidding themselves would be those holding cycling to a higher standard than any other professional sport.

Robin
Robin
1 day ago
Reply to  Sevo

What people “argue” is irrelevant, and the claim “There hasn’t been a Tour won “clean” at least since the 70s” has no factual basis, i.e zero evidence in hand that every single winner of the TdF from the “70s” onward has doped.

  1. History does not accurately predict the future. At best, history’s statistics might offer some probabilities for insight into the present or future, but the probability of a TdF winner today being “doped” is dependent on many more factors than what some winner in the past did.
  2. Probabilistic ≠ deterministic. The Internet and some “experts” struggle with the difference.
  3. Made up statistics or probabilities have no value. Any calculation of the probability of a TdF winner today being doped is based on a lot of assumptions and guesses. As Thomas Bayes famously said, “98% of all probabilities and statistics quoted in internet comment sections are made up on the spot.”
  4. Suspicion and incredulity are not evidence or facts.
Jon
Jon
1 day ago
Reply to  Sevo

Since Eddy Merckx won the Tour in 1969 and literally tested positive 3 times during his career when drug testing was much less rigorous or prevalent I would guess that doping was at least as common before 1970. I doubt that any sport is completely clean but today cycling seems much cleaner than it was during the EPO and blood doping era. With the biological passport and out of competition testing they can’t be as juiced as they were. I trust Phil and Tom a lot more than I do random anonymous internet commenters.

Kyle
Kyle
1 day ago

The doper with a training business thinks that you can go faster than dopers by training right?

Phil is so uncritical when it comes to Tommy D. He’s blinded by his feelings for the guy.

Tom
Tom
1 day ago
Reply to  Kyle

I agree with your point about training vs. doping and upvoted accordingly, but I do think there is a significant difference between the doping of rank-and-file riders like Danielson and someone like Armstrong.

Everyone was doping in the 90s and early 2000s. Those who didn’t dope didn’t get to remain in the pro peloton (see Travis Tygart). But where I give Phil grace in this case is that Tom Danielson doped, rode his bike and generally stayed out of the way. Lance destroyed people’s lives and careers with his aggressive lawsuits and personal attacks. I’m certain Phil has VERY different feelings toward someone like Lance than he does Tom. And he should.

It’s also worth stating that unless any of us know Tom (or Phil for that matter) personally, we really have no leg to stand on when casting judgement.

Kyle
Kyle
1 day ago
Reply to  Tom

I don’t think I’ve ever heard Phil equivocate in that way. I’ve only heard him make the point that for every doper in the peloton there was a clean rider who was missing out on contracts and race starts. He views the rank and file doping as damaging on a personal level.

I think it’s fine to judge Tom D. He participated in a culture of doping that left a trail of damage to lives, careers and the sport itself. It’s great that he says he regrets it but I think it’s fine to be skeptical too.

And my comment about Phil being uncritical is entirely my opinion but I don’t think it’s unfair. It’s just hard to square his obvious affection for Tom with his stance on doping.

Tom
Tom
23 hours ago
Reply to  Kyle

Fair point for sure and I appreciate the response.

Where I’m coming from isn’t directly related but is parallel. I don’t drink alcohol. At all. Not a drop in years. My best friend is an alcoholic. I don’t like his drinking. I don’t approve of his drinking. But he’s still my friend. He was my friend before I got sober. I’m still his friend today. People may judge me for that and I’m OK with that. I can only assume Phil is of a similar mindset in this case.

RyanS
RyanS
1 day ago

It’s cute people keep arguing about “modern testing”, as if that means something. The testing has always been behind the science…forever. Anti-doping has always been reactive to what the peloton has been doing, they have never been proactive to the latest cutting edge trends. There will always be undetectable methods. Also we’ve come to a point now where cyclists believe as long as it is not intravenous blood manipulation it is not doping. Everyone who has gone from the junior ranks to the Tour de France can probably say there was a point where they’ve taken a bottle, supplement, pill, or maybe injection that they can’t say for total certainty what was in it.

mrvco
mrvco
23 hours ago

I tune it out right up until someone actually tests positive or they find a team car with a trunk full of banned substances. I’m not going to waste energy getting all spun up just because someone is winning or even dominating… unless I don’t like them for some reason

Billyshoo
Billyshoo
22 hours ago

As a young American male in the ’90s (thanks to Greg LeMond’s SI cover, which turned me on to the sport), pro cycling was my “football.” I was a pretty rabid fan. I worked long days so every Friday night was spent staying up way too late, catching up on all my reading in VeloNews. We named sons “Christophe” (Moreau) and “Thierry” (Marie). I bought and read my kids the “Tour of the Forest Bike Race.” In the summer of ’96, even though we didn’t have TV, we got cable so we could watch the cycling events of the Atlanta games and Le Tour.

Then the Festina scandal of the ’98 tour broke my heart. I wasn’t the type of fan who idolized any one guy – I found something to like about each of the stars and those who supported them – but I loved that team, even procured a Festina watch for myself, and that fiasco gutted me. I tuned out and dropped out and ever since then I’ve only maintained, at most, a superficial familiarity with the peloton. Years later, when Lance’s legacy imploded, I took it as affirmation of my decision.

I’m convinced pretty much everyone dopes but even if it’s only a few, that ruins the enjoyment for me. I really like Greg LeMond but am not sure even he was clean. Every couple years I’ll watch a Tour segment replay on YouTube – haven’t yet this year – but I never get worked up over the results. I watch it for the spectacle of the sport (and the countryside over which it plays out), but never the competition. It’s still a beautiful, brilliant sport, and probably always will be, but I doubt I’ll ever find it as compelling as I used to back when I maintained a blissful ignorance of the facts of pro cycling life.

Tom
Tom
2 hours ago
Reply to  Billyshoo

Do you watch other professional sports? Not a jab, an honest question. I highly doubt that athletes in any professional sport are clean.

I like what you said about the spectacle and the countryside. It is truly beautiful. But as I shared in another comment, if we attach a particular moral code to something that is effectively nothing more than entertainment, what’s the point? We might as well get rid of all professional sports then.

Please understand this is not in any way a personal criticism. I’m guessing we’re around the same age based on the context you’ve shared. I too was a big fan of Lemond and I too was shaken by the Festina affair. In the end, I feel that event simply opened my eyes and ultimately, changed my view of what professional sport really is. Is it good? Is it bad? That’s not for me as just one person to decide for the rest of the world. If that ruined the sport for you, I get it. But for me, the sport remains beautiful, even with its flaws.

Last edited 2 hours ago by Tom
Rich R
Rich R
19 hours ago

I think Phil probably knows more about what happened with TD in 2015 than he’s ever let on. Why was it only a four year ban when, if the allegations were true, you’d expect a lifetime ban? Was it because of the amount involved?

JV has always seemed pretty cagey whenever Tommy D comes up.

The rumour has always been that the team gave him the supplement he tested positive for, and they paid TD to make it go away. Then JV ends up dating his ex-wife. If any of that rumour is true, you’d have to wonder if he regrets taking the hush money now.

Seems like he is in a good place now!

Tom
Tom
2 hours ago
Reply to  Rich R

As you stated, it’s a rumor. I realize this is the internet but pushing rumors over facts only serves to muddy waters that are already cloudy. I’m not saying the rumor is false, what I’m saying is that we don’t know. Facts and rumors are not the same thing and we’d all serve each other much better remembering that.

Last edited 2 hours ago by Tom

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