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All City Cosmic Stallion combines thru axles and A.C.E. tubing for their lightest disc frame yet

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All City Cosmic Stallion combines thru axles and A.C.E. tubing for their lightest disc frame yet saddle drive

One of the first products launching from Saddle Drive 2017, All-City has taken the wraps off their all new Cosmic Stallion. The logical progression of their “gravel” line up, the new bike pushes new boundaries for All-City as they enter into the use of thru axles for both front and rear for the first time, while still coming in as their lightest disc frame yet. Built with their own custom tubeset, the Stallion has plenty of tire clearance and a build worthy of the frame without a huge price tag…

All City Cosmic Stallion combines thru axles and A.C.E. tubing for their lightest disc frame yet saddle drive

All City Cosmic Stallion combines thru axles and A.C.E. tubing for their lightest disc frame yet saddle drive

The Cosmic Stallion is All-City’s second bike to use their A.C.E. or Air Hardened, Custom Extruded tubeset.   The heat treated, seamless A.C.E. tubing supposedly allows All-City’s engineers to create their own custom tube shapes, butting profiles, and wall thicknesses which results in a lighter, stronger frame. The Cosmic Stallion claims a 5oz (142g) weight savings over a comparable Reynolds 853 Macho King disc frame while still testing far beyond the required ISO standards. According to All-City’s brand manager Jeff Frane, the industry standard test is 100,000 cycles to the road bike standard, and the Stallion hit the 200,000 mark before testing was ended without failure. As an added bonus, the frame is also ED coated on the inside for increased rust resistance.

All-City also enters into new territory with their first thru axle dropout for the rear of the bike. The custom 142 x 12 dropouts feature a replaceable derailleur hanger and rear rack and fender mounts, while the front fork includes fender mounts on the Whisky No. 9 carbon fork.

All City Cosmic Stallion combines thru axles and A.C.E. tubing for their lightest disc frame yet saddle drive

All City Cosmic Stallion combines thru axles and A.C.E. tubing for their lightest disc frame yet saddle drive

While speced with a mechanical 2×11 drivetrain, the frame includes Di2 compatibility which is an important detail considering this is available as a frameset as well. You’ll also find a tapered head tube up front which is an All-City first as well. They have used 44mm head tubes in the past to allow for the use of tapered steerers, but the Cosmic Stallion gets a 42/52 tapered head tube to match the tapered carbon steerer.

All over the bike you’ll find the typical small touches that make an All-City identifiable – something Frane likes to point out will still be the case even after the bike is repainted a bunch of times down the road. That includes the All-City stamp on the 68mm English BB shell, integrated All-City seat collar, and braze on reinforcements.

Tire clearance is stated to be 700c x 45mm without fenders or 700c x 40mm with fenders, and as shown here with 700c x 45mm WTB Riddler tires, it seems clearance is ample.

All City Cosmic Stallion combines thru axles and A.C.E. tubing for their lightest disc frame yet saddle drive

Available in six sizes, the Cosmic Stallion will be offered in one stock build at $2,599. Build highlights include a SRAM Rival 22 HRD 2×11 drivetrain and WTB i19 tubeless rims laced to All-City Super Champ SL hubs with a Zipp Service Course/Salsa Cowbell cockpit. Framesets will also be available for $1,250. Available now.

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wimmy_j
wimmy_j
7 years ago

No flat mount, threaded bb, thru-axles, fat tires – this thing looks like a blast to ride and easy to work on!

NDE
NDE
7 years ago
Reply to  wimmy_j

Agree!

typevertigo
typevertigo
7 years ago
Reply to  wimmy_j

Not to mention it’s got external cable routing, too.

It does seem to require full lengths of cable housing, so having a shop roll on hand would be ideal.

Frank
Frank
7 years ago

Winner.

Dude
Dude
7 years ago

What’s a frameset weigh in at?

Natalie
Natalie
7 years ago

What size frame is the bike you photographed?

Champs
Champs
7 years ago
Reply to  Natalie

Visuallly, the top and down tubes look like a 52 at most, but the head tube junction as a whole and their sizing chart pull me in different directions.

There’s nothing inherently wrong with tall head tubes, but I wonder why you’d extend them like that for a size run.

Space Monkey
Space Monkey
4 years ago
Reply to  Champs

I like the tall head tube allot as it gives me ample clearance for a front bike packing bag without having to have an obnoxiously long steerer.

Tom
Tom
7 years ago

Integrated headset … ?

VeloKitty
VeloKitty
7 years ago

> Tire clearance is stated to be 700c x 45mm

No… with a front center distance that short, that 45 mm tire is going to be hitting your toes in slow speed turns.

Captain obvious
Captain obvious
7 years ago
Reply to  VeloKitty

True of many road bikes, so nothing noteworthy there.

Douglas McSaladbath
Douglas McSaladbath
7 years ago
Reply to  VeloKitty

NO ONE CARES ABOUT DOING REALLY SLOW CIRCLES ON A BIKE… LITERALLY, ABSOLUTELY NO BIKES ARE DESIGNED TO DO THIS WELL.

Eric
Eric
7 years ago

You know they have decaf now, right?

kt
kt
7 years ago
Reply to  VeloKitty

The correct answer here is go faster through turns.

David
David
7 years ago
Reply to  VeloKitty

I’m no pro, but around here in VA, our gravel roads have lots of steep and tight switchbacks, along with washed out roads that can require technical navigation and sharp turns. Toe overlap happens and I don’t like it. This doesn’t happen on my road bike or mtb bike, but my CX does and is annoying enough (and causes enough wear on my shoes) to justify looking for a replacement gravel steed. So, VeloKitty, I’m with you on this one.

Kent McSqueezy
Kent McSqueezy
7 years ago
Reply to  David

Stop complaining about toe over lap and figure out a solution to help yourself. Such as keeping your crank arms vertical through downhill turns or ratchet your pedal stroke when climbing through tight uphill switchbacks. It’s really not that hard to avoid hitting your own foot.

anonymous coward
anonymous coward
7 years ago
Reply to  Kent McSqueezy

Your not supposed to pedal through a turn that tight. Your outside foot should be down. People play bike polo on bikes with way tighter geometries and way more toe overlap, and they actually do go in tiny circles.

Douglas McSaladbath
Douglas McSaladbath
7 years ago
Reply to  David

I feel like you ding dongs just dont know how to handle a bike then… Anyone with big feet often runs into toe overlap. Anyone who is a smaller person runs into it too. Only on here to people try to buy a bike for “low speed circles” what about the other 99% of your ride? Nah forget about the ride quality then, i need to make sure I turn very slowly.

MarkM
MarkM
7 years ago
Reply to  VeloKitty

I have similar opinions on toe overlap. How do you feel about using a 27.5 wheel for the smaller frame sizes?

Homme
Homme
7 years ago

I like it, though the rear triangle looks a bit odd (presumably to create necessary tire clearance).

Smallwood
7 years ago
Reply to  Homme

Larger frames appear to have “Sbend” seatstays (which appear straight viewed from the side). I like this bend too, seems right for size 46 and 49cm.

AngryBikeWrench
7 years ago
Reply to  Homme

My take is that the bend is to make room for the caliper and associated bracing. But I’m neither bike designer nor engineer.

VeloKitty
VeloKitty
7 years ago

So this bike is not designed to be ridden off-road??? Off-road often translates to lots of slow-speed turning.

p.s. Douglas, you literally don’t understand the meaning of literally. Literally.

Kernel Flickitov
Kernel Flickitov
7 years ago
Reply to  VeloKitty

The bike is intended for gravel roads. Not much low speed turns going on there. (deleted)

typevertigo
typevertigo
7 years ago
Reply to  VeloKitty

You may be talking about cyclocross. There are more tight turns in taped-off cyclocross races, sure, so that’s where the slightly shorter chainstays and increased maneuverability will pay off.

For a gravel bike though, that’s not as much of a concern.

VeloKitty
VeloKitty
7 years ago

p.p.s. Mr. Saladbathy, *most* mountain bike geometries have no possibility of toe overlap, (deleted)

Douglas McSaladbath
Douglas McSaladbath
7 years ago
Reply to  VeloKitty

Have fun racing gravel on your Surly ECR then. Super long super stable touring bikes might be what you are looking for. Generally when people start talking about lighter tubing it’s for a bike thats meant to go faster. Not slow circles…

Mudrock
Mudrock
7 years ago

Mtbs have really slack head angles, and long front centers, so toe overlap is impossible. Road bikes, and gravel bikes too, have shorter wheelbases, steeper head angles. Toe overlap in small sizes is unavoidable.

Woody
Woody
7 years ago
Reply to  Mudrock

It is with the correct offset fork and corresponding head angle. Manufacturers love to cheap out with one offset for all sizes (case in point here). Not only do the smaller sizes loose on on toe overlap they also get a much higher trail figure than say the Med/Lrg as the manufacturer will usually try to claw back some clearance with a slack HT angle. Double loose if you’re small.

typevertigo
typevertigo
7 years ago

Gorgeous bike. I might be taking the frame out of its design parameters by dreaming up a light touring/commuting rig out of it, but it’s got all my bases covered. I am impressed. It’ll even run my post-mount TRP Spyre calipers, too!

I wonder what kind of headset this frame runs?

Joe Crawford
7 years ago
Reply to  typevertigo

Cane Creek 40 IS42/28.6 IS52/40 Short Cover Headset

Lewis
Lewis
7 years ago

Anyone know what cranks those are? SRAM branded but with 4 bolt arms similar to Shimano

Benny
Benny
7 years ago
Reply to  Lewis

The crank is listed as S-390, which is not one of their regular models. Looks to 5 bolt with the 5th bolt hidden behind the crank arm.

Benny
Benny
7 years ago
Reply to  Benny

Correction. The crank is definitely 4 bolt.

Tim
Tim
7 years ago

All-City, I love your bikes (own 3) but can you please add a solid color option to the framesets? Or eliminate the white stripes/ends? How about eliminate any white on the framesets. Maybe have like a “loud” 3-color scheme & a “soft” 1-color option? That’s not asking a lot is it? Christmas is coming. Pleeease

Neal
Neal
7 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Haha. The best looking frameset ever was the elvin blue space horse. What made it the best was the white stripes. I’d you want it less awesome then get other powder coated.

Matt
Matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Neal

The blue was second best. The dark green / white Space Horse was #1.

VeloKitty
VeloKitty
7 years ago

If 99% of riding isn’t in slow circles, why design it with a super short wheelbase??? It doesn’t make sense. Adding 2% to the wheelbase isn’t going to affect the handling by an amount that any human can detect. It will fix the toe overlap issue though.

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