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Dear Bike Industry: Please Don't Take Away My High End Mechanical Drivetrain because maybe 5sp Campy Nuovo Record was the pinnacle of bike tech
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Let’s start with what might sound like several controversial statements, but they really shouldn’t have to be…

Dear Bike Industry: Please Don't Take Away My High End Mechanical Drivetrain because Shimano XTR M980 still is great
(All photos/Cory Benson)

Maybe the best groupset I have on an XC bike today is a 16-year-old Shimano XTR M980 2x10sp setup. Its shifting is still so crisp, quick & tactile!

Dear Bike Industry: Please Don't Take Away My High End Mechanical Drivetrain because Campagnolo Super Record 12speed is still amazing

My favorite groupset I have on any dropbar bike is an 8-year-old Campagnolo Super Record 2×12-speed mechanical. It’s light, has great ergonomics, excellent brakes, and delivers an excellent click with each shift. Plus, it was almost entirely made-in-Italy.

SRAM Eagle 90|70 Mechanical Transmission, all-new affordable rebuildable 12-speed mountain bike drivetrain, Eagle 90 rear derailleur

And I downright love the modular durability of last spring’s SRAM Eagle 90 drivetrain on my enduro bike. It just feels bulletproof, while rewarding inputs with an unmistakably positive click as it shifts into place.

I have many opinionated leanings for sure. And yet I am Agnostic when it comes to picking one drivetrain maker over another, or even whatever technology is going to manage my shifts. But at the same time, I just love the classic, simple & predictable performance of a mechanical shifting groupset. And I think I’m not alone.

And don’t forget, each one of those groupsets I’ve singled out is ready to ride at a moment’s notice. Not a battery in sight.

Mechanical shifting is simple, serviceable & more affordable

OK, buckle up buttercup, here comes a bit of a rant…

Electronic shifting is great. And new gadgets are genuinely really cool.

But good old mechanical shifting can still be just as good. In fact, historically, top-tier mechanical shift drivetrains were also almost always lighter.

Am I the only one who remembers that?

My recent ‘upgrade’ from mechanical XT M8100 with full-length housing to new wireless XT Di2 M8200, for example, added 99g to my bike, even if it will also make your wallet lighter.

By definition, mechanical shifting is also mechanically much less complex. When something stops working, you can just look at it and see what’s wrong. Plus, moderately skilled home mechanics can not only diagnose most normal shifting issues, but also often fix them easily.

And finally, mechanical drivetrains are just more affordable when you remove motors, batteries, and smart controllers from the equation.

Campy Athena 11 beauty in simplicity with a pop of fresh color: Dear Bike Industry: Please Don't Take Away Mechanical Derailleurs

Sure, you need to replace cable housing every once in a while. What a great excuse to add some colorful new housing!

But honestly, it’s not something you have to do every season if you clean and take care of your bike. I have two, three, and even (gasp!) four-year-old cables that still shift quite smoothly. And can sometimes even deliver faster gear changes than an electronic setup, in certain situations.

Not just a retro-grouch, so what am I trying to rebel against?

top-tier SRAM Red, Campagnolo Super Record & Shimano Dura-Ace electronic drivetrains

Look, I’m not a Luddite. I have fun playing with new electronics. They do some cool things, but also add a lot of complications, too.

What you never have to do is remember to charge a mechanical drivetrain.

Or update its firmware.

Or remember to replace those tiny hidden shifter batteries that you forgot about.

Or worry that you leaned another bike up against your electronic-shift road bike, and not only drained the battery, but actually destroyed the battery by over-draining it. Yeah, I did that with a Di2 setup several years ago.

Also, a couple of years ago, I found an AXS battery on the side of a trail about 2500m above sea level, high and deep into the Swiss Alps. I hope someone lost their spare battery. Because if that had fallen out of their mountain bike derailleur there, it would have been a really long day stuck in the wrong gear before they made it back to civilization, where they’d have been able to shift again.

Decades of EPS, Di2 & AXS, but is our riding life better now?

SRAM AXS batteries are at least universal

Generation after generation of little servo motors, silicon microprocessor chips, and various communications protocols – many wired, now almost all wireless; add to that all manner of rechargeable, sometimes interchangeable, and also plenty of disposable batteries to power them.

There are even (and have been) a lot of apps that promise unique drivetrain adjustability, which has truly been pretty cool. But those also brought endless firmware updates and the threat (promise?) that one day your phone or app or derailleur won’t be the correct version anymore. And so eventually, your electronic shifting may simply no longer work.

Electronics almost inevitably mean some degree of planned obsolescence. SRAM has done a great job with universal AXS batteries powering all of their electronics for years. But Campagnolo and Shimano have both gone through several electronic generations that are not backwards compatible, as have other smaller electronic drivetrain makers.

Sure, electronics bring some of the fastest, most powerful, most consistent, and precise shifting drivetrains that bicycles have ever seen, to be sure. At the same time, some of them even slowed down shifting speeds to ensure ebike compatibility or to make them work no matter the user (i.e. more idiotproof).

Dear Bike Industry: Please Don't Take Away My High End Mechanical Drivetrain because even old XTR can still fly

But let’s just remember that old mechanical M980 XTR groupset of mine.

It still works well, a decade and a half later (and likes to spend time in the air). 10-speed chains and cassettes are cheap and readily available, as are standard shift cable sets. And when the power goes out, that bike keeps shifting!

Dead batteries!

keep your spare electronic derailleur batteries charged

Talking about the power going out… Nothing hurts worse than heading out for a ride, and 1 minute out the door, realizing that you can’t shift. Yes, your bike is dead. And departure cut short. Hopefully you have a spare battery, or maybe a spare bike with mechanical shifting! 😉

Actually, you know what is worse? Having your bike die an hour or more away from home, especially when you thought it was still charged. We’ve had electronic bikes run out faster than normal because they had bad firmware, or because battery contacts were corroded or loose, or even just from an age-degraded battery.

It happens more than you would expect. More than I would want, at least. I don’t care how many little red flashing warning LEDs exist.

Or how about having remembered to charge your derailleurs, and then the stupid shifter battery dies.

Oops, you forgot about that one, didn’t you! Since they last anywhere from 1-3 years between replacement now (an inconveniently wide time range), you’ll be forgiven for having forgotten about them. And when it happens, of course, you don’t have an extra CR2032 or 1632, or whatever obscure watch battery your specific shifter requires.

Dear Bike Industry: Please Don't Take Away My High End Mechanical Drivetrain because how many battery standards are there?

No, they are not all the same. I keep 2032 spares at home, and some others that I don’t even remember what they are for now. But not the CR1632 of the latest wireless Di2 setups that will start to die on us all in about a year or two.

No rechargeable derailleur batteries or disposable shifter batteries required for mechanical shifting, thank you very much.

Replacements didn’t (and still don’t) have to break the bank!

even a wired SRAM XX SL AXS T-type derailleur hits the ground every once in a while

Oh, and let’s remember that crash replacement is a real thing.

Outside of tires and brake pads that simply wear out, I feel like the rear derailleur is my most often ‘impact-damaged’ component requiring replacement. On proper mountain bikes, it really is unavoidable. On road and gravel bikes, derailleur damage is also not unheard of.

Dear Bike Industry: Please Don't Take Away My High End Mechanical Drivetrain because derailleurs break and need to be replaced

When I broke an XT M8100 12-speed mechanical derailleur on a rock last summer, it only cost me 50€ in a bikepark bike shop to replace it with a perfectly functional Deore M5100 mechanical derailleur. Back home, the original XT derailleur replacement officially retailed for 135€, but I could find it online for nearly half that price. Now I have a spare.

SRAM GX AXS t-type transmission derailleur exploded view

At the same time, when my GX AXS T-type derailleur started mysteriously running out of battery, I couldn’t even diagnose what was wrong. Ultimately, I had broken a part of the un-serviceable electronic shifting core in an impact that I don’t even remember. Only it took a couple weeks to properly diagnose what was even happening. That then meant buying a new derailleur for 475€ just to get riding again. And that’s the cheapest wireless T-type derailleur that SRAM sells (and doesn’t even include a battery!) Sure, I could find one online for as little as 330€, but no deals like that in a shop to get me riding again on the spot.

#facepalm

Lasting pleas

Campy Super Record 12 mechanical, Campandgoslow-style

Yes, wireless electronic drivetrains are cool. And your cockpit will be a tiny bit cleaner with one fewer cable.
Yes, you’ll never have to dial-adjust tune the derailleur as your cables stretch, or replace shifter cables & housing every year or two.
And yes, building up a new bike is so incredibly easy when all you have to do is pair a wireless shifter and derailleur together.

So, I’ll just end all of this with a Dear Bike Industry request…

riding off into winter wonderland on a fatbike with a mechanical mountain bike derailleur

Please Shimano, keep making XTR M9100 & XT M8100 mechanical derailleurs. And I know we are limited to 105 on the road now, but could you please at least give us Ultegra mechanical? And yeah, don’t abandon mechanical GRX.

Please SRAM, keep the Eagle mechanical family going strong. Maybe even give us an option with a lighter carbon cage or some other weight savings? I’m thinking Eagle 100 or 110 sounds nice! (I guess we mechanical-loving weight weenies can probably already piece that together on our own with a replacement XX SL Cage Assembly.) SRAM, remember when mechanical Red was your lightest-ever road groupset? You could totally do that again!

And dear Campy, thank you for Ekar. Don’t abandon that lightweight mechanical simplicity. And maybe please give me a new 13-speed mechanical road groupset compatible with those newest SR13 cassettes. It doesn’t need to be Super Record. We’d all be very happy with ‘just’ Record. But remember how light mechanical can be!

riding off into the sunset with a mechanical groupset on a gravel bike

/rant

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Tim
Tim
23 days ago

Totally agree with this piece. Mechanical shifting is so effective, so cheap and so durable that I don’t see the point in electronic.
The pricing on electronic is likely to come down, but the prospect of coming to the end of the road of software updates and ending up with a bricked derailleur is off-putting to say the least.
And the sentence “My derailleur needs a software update” is one that should not exist.

Darwin
Darwin
23 days ago

I started riding bikes when they had friction down tube shifters. Love electronic and no desire to go back. Companies make what sells and has the most profit. Most of your complaints are overwrought I think. I also love hydraulic disc brakes and zero desire to go back to rim brakes,

Sinbad
Sinbad
21 days ago
Reply to  Darwin

You sound like someone who takes their bike to the shop to get their tire pressure adjusted…Are you ??

RGP
RGP
20 days ago
Reply to  Sinbad

And you don’t?

Greg
Greg
20 days ago
Reply to  Darwin

Good for you.

Merlin
Merlin
19 days ago
Reply to  Darwin

Correction… Companies make what they invest in. Electronic drivetrains also are low proft/margin compared to Mech systems.

If SRAM invests a ton of money into electriconics and have containers full of them they can often force the hand of brands to use them OEM and this drives up complete bike costs and is ultimately bad for the consumer and gives fewer budget options.

Cycling is on the fast track to becoming an elitist sport and losing premium mechanical shifting and non-electric premium MTB bikes (as examples) is not good for the sport or industry.

NREsq
NREsq
17 days ago
Reply to  Merlin

The sky is falling!

When’s all this supposed to happen?

Meanwhile, cycling rolls on as it always has, offering everything from the most expensive “elitist” kit to the entry level stuff that’s the best its ever been.

You know what’s really elitist? Guys like you who think they have it all figured out and the rest of us are just too stupid too see it.

Mark
Mark
18 days ago
Reply to  Darwin

Survival of the fittest, hey? I’ve had to singlespeed, or wrench enough derailleurs into a vaguely rideable gear on people’s electronically-equipped ‘fop chariots’ as BikeSnobNYC used to (still does?) call them, to know the overarching value of simplicity and repairability of drivetrains in rough conditions. Instant shifts under load are of no use at all when your CF derailleur cages and servo motors are hanging in shards from your dropout/mount after an unplanned and non-optimal meeting with the ground, geology or vegetation.

Veso Mandaric
Veso Mandaric
18 days ago
Reply to  Darwin

Troll

Robin
Robin
23 days ago

Spot on.

I cannot find a single reason why I would want an electronic group set. After all, I like the mechanical feedback when I shift. I like that can actually work on a repair stuff. I like that I don’t have to worry about a battery running out of juice during a ride. I like that I can afford to replace a front or rear derailleur. I also really like that mech groups make it easier financially for new cyclists to get into the sport and afford to stay in the sport. I also like that my mech group isn’t going to contribute to electronic waste.

It’s perfectly fine that some or a lot cyclists like electronic groups, but mech groups still have a place and are not objectively inferior to electronic groups.

seraph
21 days ago
Reply to  Robin

One of the main reasons why I prefer electronic shifting over mechanical is hand pain. With electronic I can just push a little button, but when I have to throw a whole lever many times during a ride, my hands start to hurt. I’ve also had really good luck upgrading arthritic customers to AXS and Di2 to alleviate their hand pain.

Robin
Robin
20 days ago
Reply to  seraph

That’s a good point. Electronic group sets are definitely for those customers as well as others with physical challenges.

TypeVertigo
19 days ago
Reply to  seraph

Yes, certainly an argument here. I’ve seen some randonneuring cyclists opt for Di2 for this exact reason.

Tom
Tom
16 days ago
Reply to  seraph

That’s a super cool use case for electronic shifting. Those who are older, have injuries or other medical issues related to their definitely benefit from that.

threeringcircus
threeringcircus
22 days ago

100%.

Ron
Ron
22 days ago

Electronic shirting is not about electronic shifting. It is about the obsession with aerodynamics and the resulting run the cables inside the frame. We can’t have visible cables. Hey electronic shifting solves part of the problem. Next electronic braking has to be the direction.

Rob
Rob
18 days ago
Reply to  Ron

All of my cables run inside my frame. SRAM Red 11s

Jeff
Jeff
22 days ago

I saw this issue coming and scrounged up a new mechanical rim brake DA 9100 and XTR mechanical group a few years back. Now I just pray I don’t crash and damage any of the shifters.

nooner
nooner
22 days ago

Perhaps the best piece you ever wrote Cory, Cheers!

Elvis
Elvis
22 days ago

Amen! When SRAM introduced Eagle I patiently waited for a 12 mechanical road group. I inquired with at trade shows, races, just about anywhere I could find a SRAM rep. In there eyes mechanical was/is dead. They have mechanical Apex 12spd in Eagle and Xplr ranges but those are designed as primarily as 1x which for gravel or CX makes sense (I see a lot of CX racers with Apex mechanical 12 speed as their B bikes) but I would like an actual road group with a front derailleur (yeah i said it). There is definitely demand there but with the investment already made into electric companies view continued development of higher end mechanical as less profitable. Money wins everytime at the expense of riders.

jason
jason
22 days ago

I love my Sram Ratio mechanical 1×12 gear shift! It has been working flawlessly for years and is easy to install and repair.

Unfortunately, there will probably be no mechanical 13-speed version… that would be the only reason to switch to electronic.

gresik
gresik
19 days ago
Reply to  jason

Bonjour, j’ai dérailleur et leviers SRAM avec kit Ratio 1×13 et cassette Ekar en mécanique. Ça marche super bien. Je dois juste penser à régler le dérailleur plus souvent… tous les ans 😉

JBikes
JBikes
22 days ago

100% agree, but I hope people shows this with their $, otherwise it won’t matter. I’ve even gone back to rim brakes on my road bike as I really just like to grab and go. If something doesn’t work on that thing, I can sort, usually while riding.

notmyname
notmyname
22 days ago

Sometimes I go a while without biking and then get the mojo back only to find my bike is dead and I’m not going anywhere (on that bike). Meanwhile all my mechanical bikes are ready and raring to go after a quick top off of the tires. Are the wireless gears really nice to use? Yeah, definitely. Are they leagues better than my cable actuated bikes? Definitely not.

Mantas Masalskis
Mantas Masalskis
22 days ago

While at it, keep some nice rim brakes options for road! I’ve a lovely titanium frame which is ~ 15 years old. I’m already dreading the day a shifter breaks.

Karl
Karl
22 days ago

I wish bike brands would keep in their line up rim brake mechanical versions of their mid to top tier bikes.

LovetoRide
LovetoRide
18 days ago
Reply to  Karl

Yes, this is the real problem…Bike brands phasing out mechanical shifting…

Wahoonc
Wahoonc
22 days ago

I am a Luddite. I was out for a ride on my 1970s Raleigh 3 speed. A small group of neon lycra had passed me a bit earlier. I come around a curve and they are standing on the side of the road attempting to get a cellphone signal. Apparently someone’s electronics had crapped out and they couldn’t figure out what to do. My newest derailleur bike is from 1989. Easily repaired and works all the time. That 99 gram increase weight was offset by the money removed from the wallet.

Johnny
Johnny
22 days ago

I worked customer service for a big online bike retailer for a few years. I decided that the built in obscelecense of electronic drivetrains would never be for me. Lots of mind blowingly good mechanical drivetrains out there; as yet. I appreciate feeling the feedback from a cable gliding through the housing. Or, the feedback you can feel as the derailleur knuckle and cage progress through its range of motion. While you can still feel the shift through the pedals on a bike with an electronic drivetrain, the extra feedback my thumbs get is appreciated and for me is a necessary part of the riding experience. If concerns are realized, I’m guessing we’ll see another singlespeed Renaissance or a decline in cycling participation.

Paul
Paul
18 days ago
Reply to  Johnny

My mech 105 shifts so well that sometimes I have to look down to be sure it moved.

BykMor
BykMor
22 days ago

More people/websites with a voice need to be shouting this, please! The little folks should also vote with their $$, but who knows how the companies calculate votes with little $. The bicycle is (was) an amazing and simple machine.

B Yoder
B Yoder
22 days ago

The big problem for me with electronic shifting is it is much more jarring on mine knees. I had to return a trek with electronic shifting because it was causing lots of deep pain that I’ve never had with mechanical group sets.

Last edited 22 days ago by B Yoder
seraph
21 days ago
Reply to  B Yoder

Sounds like user error. My AXS is super smooth when shifting. You gotta ease off the pedals when you shift, man.

TheKaiser
21 days ago
Reply to  B Yoder

How does electronic shifting hurt your knees? I could see if you had it in some sort of automatic mode, it might shift when you don’t want it to, and put some short of shock or higher load on your knees, but assuming you have initiated the shift and are expecting it, I am having trouble seeing how it is any different from mechanical in knee loading. Is it possible your Trek had something else going on that was the true culprit?

Tom
Tom
16 days ago
Reply to  B Yoder

For the sake of the longevity of your joints, I would highly recommend getting a professional bike fit. It’ll likely cost $350+ but it’s worth every penny to find out the true cause of your knee pain.

Traildog
Traildog
22 days ago

Thanks for saying this with your platform. Mechanical drivetrains just work so well. There were a few misses- Shimano 10 spd before the ratio changed the was sensitive to housing condition, early compact road cranks shifted poorly. But since 2010 ish it all just works really well, is cheap and simple to replace.

Real take- if frame manufacturers would quit the current trend of insane cable routing, mechanical would be remain highly viable.

I guess they’d just rather sell us more expensive shit and they have the market control to force it.

John
John
21 days ago
Reply to  Traildog

….and if drivetrains go electronic….bikes and drivetrain bits will need to be replaced more often

Yusuf
Yusuf
22 days ago

This is on point, great piece.

Roger
Roger
22 days ago

Will the bespoke boutique market fill the gap left by mainstream manufacturing corporations? Like they have done with the high quality, well-built, steel bicycle?

Mopo
Mopo
22 days ago
Reply to  Roger

There are at least 4 boutique companies making mechanical derailleurs now. Vivo, Ingrid, Ratio and Madrone. For non, boutique you have Microshift.

Robin
Robin
22 days ago
Reply to  Roger

Campagnolo still makes Chorus and Super Record mech groups, and both are available in disc and rim brake versions.

TypeVertigo
19 days ago
Reply to  Roger

Japanese firm Growtac has an interesting solution with its Equal control levers. They’re friction shifters, but adopt the Campagnolo ErgoPower layout. So being friction shifters, they don’t really care how many cogs you have at the back.

You can add in an indexing plate to convert them into (11-speed, I believe) indexed shifting.

Only downside for me is that they are cable-actuated brake only. They do make their own Equal mechanical disc brakes, and many have said they rival Paul Klampers in a smaller overall package.

Donkey Otee
Donkey Otee
22 days ago

Hell yes.

Parts brands have a choice – make decent mechanical groupsets or lose customers, some of are never buying digital gears. They can work great, granted. I just don’t want electronics on my bike apart from a GPS or lights.

Sirclimbalot
Sirclimbalot
22 days ago

100% – all 3 of my geared bikes are mechanical xo1 eagle. It always works, and requires so little maintenance – just a single cable and housing to connect it… I work in tech, and Tech is all around me. I look for riding bikes as a way to get away from that.

I was talking with my senior mechanical engineer about electronic shifting, and he couldn’t understand what the benefit was, nor could I come up with any reasons why it was actually better.

bikeh8er
bikeh8er
22 days ago

luv seeing a Zyn ad while looking at a healthy active lifestlye site

Matt
Matt
22 days ago

Ratio Technology make a fully serviceable mechanical derailleur compatible with 10 to 13 speed! For £340, and you can buy every spare part used to assemble it!

Perry
Perry
22 days ago

Electronic? Indexed? I’m still enjoying my friction shifting setups for many of the same reasons: cheap, light, easy to maintain and repair. I do run several bikes with nine and ten speed indexed, but I surely won’t ever need electronic. At least not until I’m in the retirement home.

Sean Coffey
Sean Coffey
22 days ago

1,000,000 % this.

The industry is stuck with trying to sell “us’ new things over and over since growing the market/bringing new riders into the sport is hard. So growth comes from offering genuine upgrades, novelty, or forced upgrades through planned obsolescence.

The very fact that a notable number of riders still want mechanical drivetrains and….dare I say it….rim brakes…and the industry has moved away from those things is an indication of bike tech being developed to serve sales goals more than the rider.

Ned
Ned
22 days ago

My roadbike drivetrain is 2X10 7800 Dura Ace. The shifting is crisp and satisfying. I will never change it. Im no luddite either. I would have an electronic drive train, but I love what I have now.

Austin
Austin
22 days ago

Yes, just yes.

natrat
natrat
22 days ago

i like axs for the most part however when you only have a split second before a steep ramp up you mash the button but you don’t know what gear you will end up in because there is no stop on the shifter like on a cable shifter. So the mechanical is way more intuitive, quicker and precise

Carl
Carl
22 days ago

Super Record 12 mechanical has the fastest shifting (Ultrashift), period. Has a 1:1 gear ratio available- low enough for gravel. Shifters are also available for non-hydraulic brake options. Why on earth would I want electric? SR 12 is on my gravel bike, and will soon be on my road bikes.

Jason Barbas-Voillaume
Jason Barbas-Voillaume
22 days ago

Campagnolo record 13 sp with rebuildable parts like the sram eagle 90 please , Ive been riding Ekar since it came out on my road/gravel bike and its been brilliant it would be great to be able to get a more refined version

PHP
PHP
22 days ago

IMO 8 speed XTR was/is the best

David
David
22 days ago

Didn’t want an electronic shifter but got a good deal on a used bike 6 years ago that came with Shimano Di. I love it. Thousands of miles a year. Every shift is perfect and smooth, charge battery twice a year, never needs adjusting. I assume a lot of these comments are from those who have never used one.

Mark
Mark
21 days ago
Reply to  David

that’s what it sounds like to me. have had a couple recent high end mechanical groups, and di2 12 speed dura ace and ultegra, and the hassle of the mechanical groups is infinitely more than the electronic, because with the electronic there is none. nothing to stretch, fray, or replace. 15k miles with zero replacement of housing or cables or adjustment of screws because things stretched. just riding.

Mark
Mark
22 days ago

Yeah….but why cry over cheap cost dura ace 105….ha ha

dontcoast
dontcoast
22 days ago

Still on 1X11 gravel for that reason

Doug B
Doug B
22 days ago

Have both, and hope both continue to exist so I have options and can choose the right tool; neighborhood ride or weeklong bikepacking have different needs and safety margins.

Gerald
Gerald
22 days ago

Campagnolo, Keep making mechanical Chorus. I have 11sp Chorus on my road bike made in 2012 and 12sp Chorus on my gravel bike made in 2019. I have a new set of 12sp Chorus waiting for my new Ti gravel build this year.
My same taste is the same when it comes to watch’s.We all have a GPS head unit and our smart phones and some still insist in wearing a smart watch. s

Robin
Robin
20 days ago
Reply to  Gerald

I had Chorus 12 with rim brakes on my previous bike shortly after Chorus 12 came out. Then when I spec’d a custom steel frame to replace that bike, I opted for Chorus 12 with disc brakes. I thought about going with Record or Super Record, but I couldn’t think of anything that I felt Chorus was lacking.

Nir
Nir
21 days ago

Soon we will be asking to , please, continue making 29 in wheels

FrankTheTank
FrankTheTank
21 days ago

Here here!

Andy
Andy
21 days ago

Totally agree! As with so many recent “improvements” electric groupsets are mainly benefitting the manufacturer at the expense of the users and purchasers. I have 4 bikes, all with high end mechanical shifting and due to careful installations they rarely need more than lube and very infrequent cable changes. Crash damage is the most likely failure mode and this can usually be repaired. Not so much with more recent gear using motors and batteries.

David
David
21 days ago

XTR M970 and Ultegra R8000 are the best groupsets I’ve owned. Modern bikes are totally off-putting to me. I want simple, reliable suspension, mechanical transmission, effective and rebuildable brakes. I don’t need things to be enshittened any more than they already have been, thank you!

Gary
Gary
21 days ago

I agree. I’ll even go one further. I’ve had Campagnolo since 8 speed. I went to 9 because the hoods were more comfortable. Then I went to 10. I started noticing that I was double shifting half the time. I went back to 9, and am happy here.

Becky
Becky
21 days ago

Ohhh, yes. I am totally on board with keeping mechanical, for all the reasons stated in this article! It’s great to have a choice though & hopefully, it will stay that way!

DMS
DMS
20 days ago

Omg! Totally agree. Please dont force that lazy mind crap on me!!! All you green extremist aught to agree just on waste alone! For me Tech has ruined just about everything I love. Put that crap on battery bikes for people who barely like riding with their legs anyway. The phrase Light makes right has been forgotten. Instead more bloat. I also wasn’t a fan of pie plate rear group sets so can add more weight on the rear tire in the way of the mud, moving the rear derailed closer to rocks that they used to cry about for years…why to improve some Q Factor blah, blah bullshit that know one even cares about let alone explain! Only an idiot adds more weight to what for some is a swingarm. If it was so great why isn’t the Tour bikes copying it. It even looks wrong!! Sure wireless derailer’s are cool but I dont want the wasteful batteries and everything comes with it. Tech has ruined motorcycles too…ugly flat clocks just like the horrible flat panel displays in cars and trucks. They will be adding traction control and abs next just like motorcycles nrxt lol. Name one thing that most people hate about a car….tech…what usually fails new tech. So please leave my bicycle alone…light quiet, easy to fix, cheap to repair and no Tech nannies to respond to.

RGP
RGP
20 days ago

Last five years of biking, 3x Bikes on mechanical, broken thumb shifter on MTB, always adjusting front & rear GRX derailleurs on Gravel bike, front not working anymore. Road bike Ultegra R8000 left shifter stopped shifting up onto the big ring(hence you can’t find a used left-shifter on eBay), at the same time, I have 3x bikes on Di2, adjusted rear derailer on the 11sp after a few weeks of use, never updated any softewear on that bike in 5 years down the line, three years with 12speed Di2 on a special build that doesn’t get much use, never adjusted anyting nore updated anyting, two years +10k/per year with a race bike on a 12sp Di2, never adjusted anything on it nore updated any softwear on it! Plus mechanical shifts like shit (if it shifts at all) in cold weather, like -7°C or below

Marcel
Marcel
19 days ago
Reply to  RGP

The worst mechanic ever?

James
James
18 days ago
Reply to  RGP

As a rider who started racing downtube shifters in 1987, rode the MTB boom from its’ start in the mid 1980s, and have competed for well over 30 years (and still doing it) in New England, I can say beyond the shadow of a doubt that I’ve never ever had an issue of a derailleur “shifting like shit” in cold weather (my record is 5F/-15C) unless it was a result of icing up from mud/slush/water. Electronics won’t help you with that. For that matter, I’m wondering how long you actually rode outside in the cold, if you ever really did. The reason being battery performance drops off dramatically with temperature. Here’s a handy report:

https://www.greentechrenewables.com/article/how-does-temperature-affect-battery-performance

As an electrical engineer I’ve _personally_ done plenty of testing on hand-held electronics that proves batteries suck in the cold. There’s a chart on the linked page showing the capacity of a lithium battery (which incidentally are by far the best commercially available even at cold temps) drops off dramatically with temperature – 50% at -20C.

Science proves you wrong.

Zsolt Rabatin
Zsolt Rabatin
20 days ago

Very good written ! Kudos ! You should have mentioned the environmental impact too! Batteries, cables,charging etc.etc.
I’m a full time bike mechanic, and telling you, electronic shifting should only exist as the option for professional road bikers, maybe

RGP
RGP
20 days ago

I’ve never adjusted a gear or updated any software on my three Di2 bikes; what am I doing wrong?

Robin
Robin
20 days ago
Reply to  RGP

Congratulations. You’ve successfully done what no one in the history of humankind has ever done: proven that people who like mech groups are just wrong. Whew!

Oh, hey: I’ve ridden my road bikes with mech groups in temps as low as 15°F (-9.4°C) and have had zero issues with shifting. Maybe you could let everyone who has no issues shifting mech groups in the cold know what we’re doing wrong?

RGP
RGP
19 days ago
Reply to  Robin

Why so much anger when someone speaks of their experience, that doesn’t follow their own? Plus, do I win this argument, as I ride in anything between -5°C & -20°C every year and every year my mechanical stuff fails, or should I just be angry like you?

Robin
Robin
19 days ago
Reply to  RGP

Angry? I’m not sure where you got that. I merely pointed out that mechanical doesn’t necessarily “shift like shit” at “-7°C” or below.

James
James
18 days ago
Reply to  Robin

Correct – properly maintained, a mechanical system will shift better for longer. Lithium cells die quickly in the cold.

Last edited 18 days ago by James
Will
Will
20 days ago

100%

The ride is as psychologically beneficial as it is physical. Not having to worry about anything is part of the joy and benefit. Batteries sorta ruin that.

Will
20 days ago

Absolutely agree, some of us will never use a battery and love our mechanical drive trains!!!! Please don’t ride us out

john
john
20 days ago

Amen. (And I have some bikes running on shifters/derailerus that are over 10 years old, and still shift like they were new).

David
David
18 days ago
Reply to  john

I have a 30-yr-old Klein with an Ultegra group set I transferred from a Davidson bought in ‘89.

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