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DT Swiss Builds With Someone Else’s Carbon Spokes to Shed 125g Off Their Lightest Wheels

DT Swiss ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS wheels get 3rd-party Chinese carbon spokes to save weight
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DT Swiss just figured out how to make their lightest ARC 38 aero carbon road wheels almost 10% lighter, and even stiffer, by switching to aero carbon spokes. High-quality stainless steel spokes may be one of the brand’s three key wheel manufacturing pillars – alongside trusted hubs & rims. But the Biel, Switzerland-based company isn’t entirely stuck in its ways, it seems. And these new carbon-spoked wheels look like they are the first of many more to come.

But there’s something odd about them…

DT Swiss wheels get carbon spokes, made by someone else?!

DT Swiss ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS wheels get 3rd-party carbon spokes to save weight, riding
(All photos/ DT Swiss)

This is the first complete wheelset that I can remember that does not use DT Swiss spokes!

DT Swiss as a bike industry manufacturer, may have recently celebrated just their 30th anniversary in modern guise. But their origins date back to the 17th-century as a steel wireworks, which gave rise to bicycle spoke production in the early 20th century. They’ve certainly evolved more high-tech spokes in recent years, but they’ve always been steel.

Does that change now?

DT Swiss ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS wheels get 3rd-party carbon spokes to save weight, custom aero 180 Spline CS front hub

The answer is probably not?

DT Swiss ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS wheels get 3rd-party carbon spokes to save weight, PURE carbon rim made by DT

While DT Swiss’ communications on these new lightweight climbing wheels are quick to point out that the Carbon Spoke-specific carbon rims are in fact manufactured in-house by DT, there’s no explicit mention of where the carbon spokes come from. Then, deep down in the spec list, the spokes are listed as “VONOA aero carbon t-head” spokes with “VONOA hidden aluminum” nipples.

For those who have been following the development of wheels, conventionally laced with carbon spokes, Vonoa is a familiar name. They are the manufacturer who makes the carbon spokes that Newmen wheels builds with, and may also be a carbon spoke supplier for some Roval and Hunt wheels. They also appear to be a part of the same Chinese composite manufacturer who makes Stren spokes, the other carbon spoke brand we often hear about. So it sounds like DT is outsourcing carbon spoke manufacturing to save grams.

DT Swiss ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS wheels get carbon spokes

DT Swiss ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS wheels get 3rd-party carbon spokes to save weight, collaboration with BMC and Andermatt of the Swiss Alps

The end result is these new DT Swiss ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS wheels are their “lightest Aero wheels (yet)“. Coming in at a claimed 1174g for the pair, that’s apparently lighter than their lightest-ever Mon Chasseral wheels, even the 28mm deep or 38mm rim brake tubulars from a decade ago!

The lighter, stiffer carbon spokes allow DT to build with fewer front spokes – down to just 18 mixed radial & 2-cross on the front wheel vs. 24 2x Aerolite II spokes on their regular ARC 1100 38 front wheel. Interestingly, the carbon spoke rear still sticks with 24 2-cross spokes. But both front & rear carbon spoke wheels move to 2:1 lacing with twice as many spoke on the higher stress side.

Tech details

DT Swiss ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS wheels get 3rd-party carbon spokes to save weight, custom 180 Spline CS rear hub

DT’s previous generation ARC 1100 Dicut 38, 38mm deep wheels weighed in at 1299g for the pair. Now the new ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS wheelset tips the scales at just 1174g.

  • 3rd-party manufactured Vonoa aero carbon t-head spokes with bonded-on alloy heads & threads
  • 3rd-party Vonoa hidden aluminum nipples, accessed from inside the rim bed
DT Swiss ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS wheels get 3rd-party carbon spokes to save weight, low-profile aero rim section
  • 26mm wide external by 38mm deep aero PURE carbon rim made in-house by DT Swiss
  • 20mm internal, hooked tubeless-ready bead
  • custom 180 series Spline hubs for the oversized straightpull T-head carbon spokes
  • SINC ceramic bearings
  • 36T Ratchet EXP hub engagement
  • includes both Shimano Road & SRAM XDR freehubs (Campy N3W available separately)
  • 12mm thru-axles
  • disc brake only
  • max 110kg / 242lb rider+bike system weight limit

DT Swiss ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS – Pricing, options & availability

DT Swiss ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS wheels get 3rd-party carbon spokes to save weight, pair
complete DT Swiss ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS wheelset kit

For now, there is only one carbon spoke DT Swiss wheelset available, and you don’t get to pick any options. The DT Swiss ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS wheelset sells for $3727 / 3199€ as a ready-to-climb Wheel Tire System (WTS) kit. That includes the ultralight carbon-spoked wheels, pre-taped for tubeless, but with a Continental Aero 111 26mm front tire & Conti GP 5000s TR 28mm rear tire installed with ContiTPU tubes inside. The wheels come with a Shimano Road freehub installed, an extra SRAM XDR body, tubeless valves, valve guards, and include a set of DT Swiss wheelbags.

Get yours now from your local DT dealer.

What’s next for DT Swiss and Carbon Spokes?

Chinese composite maker Stren / Vonoa carbon spoke concept
(Sketch/Vonoa)

For now, there’s only one complete CS climber’s wheelset that gets these new carbon spokes, as well as a special aero-optimized Spline hubset and made-in-house Pure carbon rims for them to thread into. More details on the spokes themselves are pretty much nonexistent. But we’ve reached out for more clarification from DT. Vonoa’s Instagram sheds a little more light on the matter from 2.5 years ago. But with a non-functional website, we don’t know much more.

DT Swiss ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS wheels get carbon spokes made by Chinese composite maker Vonoa Stren

In any case, we can’t imagine that DT went to all the trouble to develop their own special hubs and rims, even to work with someone else’s aero carbon spokes, without a lot more CS wheel options in the works. In fact, we have it on good bike rumors that there are more CS compatible DT Swiss hubs in the works, and that other wheel manufacturers will be building with DT Carbon Spoke solutions in the near future. So, we’re curious to learn more about their collaboration with Vonoa.

DT Swiss ARC 1100 Spline 38 CS wheels get carbon spokes, climbing Furka pass

Plus, DT Swiss’ own description of these new wheels is telling: “The first wheel of our portfolio being laced on carbon blades is a pretty big milestone” (emphasis added). Clearly, more are in the works.

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Billyshoo
Billyshoo
2 days ago

Good for DT, swallowing their pride to offer a carbon spoke option! Regardless of who made the carbon spokes on my Hunts – Vonoa or other – I love ’em.

Evan
Evan
2 days ago

I actually don’t know why you’d buy dtswiss any more.

The hubs are basically open source at this point, the rims lag the industry in width and weight. The spokes are now outsourced.

I’m not going to talk about price because literally any carbon wheel is a waste of money from a purely practical pov. But even focusing on functionality alone, I see no advantage to dtswiss these days.

Once all the wheel designs have converged to a single point, the only difference is manufacturing expertise/QA, and I guess customer service.

Soul
Soul
1 day ago
Reply to  Evan

dt350 hub is goated, 10000+ miles not even a single service

Grillis
Grillis
2 days ago

Deeper, lighter, wider, and most importantly – cheaper wheels exist. NEXT!

Evan
Evan
2 days ago
Reply to  Grillis

I disagree about the price being the most important detail. You could not pay me up ride hookless rims on the road, or hubs where the spokes don’t lock in.

Eric
Eric
2 days ago
Reply to  Grillis

I agree and I suspect not many cyclists are aware of this. In the Netherlands, where I live, there are at least two or three renowned wheelbuilders who can handbuild you a nice set of wheels with DT hubs or even boutique ones that are deeper, lighter, wider AND cheaper than the RRP of a set of DT system wheels. Not even mentioning wheelsets built to order in the far east..

Dan
Dan
2 days ago

2020 called…they want their wheels back. 20mm internal, 26mm external? We are in the year of “aero”…I wouldn’t even consider a new wheelset that wasn’t at least 23 int/32 ext.

Eric
Eric
2 days ago
Reply to  Dan

You are aware that the purpose of these DT wheels probably are different from your use case? For instance, why would you consider blazing up the mountain with wheels that are 23 int/32 ext (plus matching tyres) unless you don’t give a crap about weight?

Simon
Simon
1 day ago
Reply to  Eric

they are too narrow for even 28mm tires, they are not nearly light enough for a ultralight climbing setup (let’s say for UK hillclimbing competitions). there’s exactly zero reasons for anyone to buy these wheels, they should not exist in 2025! there are other wheels that are wider, deeper, lighter and cheaper all together. and almost all other wheels are at least 3 of those things.
DT swiss makes some nice value oriented hubs, very nice aluminium rims, spokes and nipples are too expensive but good, their carbon road wheels are simply irrelevant.

Eric
Eric
1 day ago
Reply to  Simon

DT offer their metal-spoked counterpart wheelset as a system with 28 mm GP5000 STRs installed and I assume they do this with valid reasons. And not many wheelsets in the same weight bracket have a max recommended system weight of 110 kg. At the end of the day, DT is nothing more or less than a global supplier of quality carbon wheels for the majority of cyclists. You and I probably do not belong to the majority and that’s why we allow ourselves to pick our own preferred setups (because we’d also get away fine with lighter wheels that have a lower max system weight limitation).

Brent
Brent
1 day ago
Reply to  Dan

Then you have a limited understanding on what make a wheel performant and just follow the trend “wider is better”. you like it or not the most performant set-up is with a 25 (measuring 26-27) front tire, then it’s integration in a 26mm ext rim is perfect. Inner width has no real implication on the performance, no impact on rolling resistance, minor sidewall impact unless you go for 30+ tires.

Dan
Dan
1 day ago
Reply to  Brent

I had a feeling I would offend the DT fanboys. Sorry to break it to you, but it is not just a trend, “wider IS better”. 28s and even 30s are just as fast going uphill…and the benefits on flats and descents have also been proven. My main point is that not only is DT late to the game with carbon spokes, they laced it up to a climbing wheel setup that is STILL measurably heavier than many other brands 50mm aero wheels!

Andreas
Andreas
1 day ago

If DT have the cash or can fund it otherwise, there might be more than collab ahead. Think M&A. A carbon spoke company might be a good fit for DT.

Matt
Matt
1 day ago

Na… The east makes lighter and better wheels now for a fraction of the cost

MerlintheBikeWizard
MerlintheBikeWizard
1 day ago

125g? You could take a piss and lose more weight

Eric
Eric
1 day ago

That’s why before every ride I take a dump to make my wheelset feel sub-1000gram instantly.

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