German-made Pi Rope showed us yet another example of superlight XC wheels built up with textile fiber spokes, and gave us the lowdown of why they actually outperform traditional steel spokes.

We recently saw Berd polyethylene spokes on Tune’s prototype wheelset slip under the 1kg mark, but those aren’t the only fiber spokes to be found on a mountain bike wheel these days. In fact, these polyester fiber spokes made by Pi Rope are actually already available. And Pi Rope can build them up into a XC wheelset as light as 1065g.

Pi Rope ultralight textile spoke mountain bike wheels

Quickly looking at the difference from these Pi Rope fiber spokes to those Berd ones found on the Tune wheels. Pi Rope’s textile fiber spokes are made of braided Vectran polyester fiber (vs. Berd’s Dyneema polyethylene).

The spokes are generally a bit thicker in diameter and utilize a nipple attachment methodology designed for the hollow braided structure that necessitates hubs & rims specific to this system. Pi Rope developed their own spoke end system that they say creates a better mechanical connection between spoke & nipple than the competition without extra weight or stress on the braided spoke.

Tech Details

They were a bit tight-lipped on exactly how the connection is made, but confirmed that it is a two-piece joint with one part inserted into the end of the hollow spoke, which then compresses into the nipple with its external male threads. In the end the spoke is held in the nipple both mechanically and with an adhesive.

To make that work Pi Rope has a development partnership with German wheel maker Newmen who supplies quality rims and hubs designed to accommodate the unique thread in nipples. For now Pi Rope is only having Newmen make Boost-spaced, 6-bolt hubs, but offers both alloy & carbon rims with the appropriate drilling. That is mostly to keep things simple as they establish their production capabilities relative to demand.

To eliminate any twisting (or wind-up) of the spokes, the wheels are built by initially threading the flexible textile spoke into the hub shell. Then the wheel builder inserts the nipple into the rim, and holds it fixed in place while they tighten a nut onto the end of the nipple through the rim. The result is no spoke twist, but it also limits the ease of adjusting the wheel with a tire mounted. In theory, it does retain some adjustability while turning both hub & rim nipples at once, but real adjustment should be done from inside of the rim well.

Why Pi Rope polyester textile spokes are better than steel spokes?

Pi Rope’s founder Ingo Berbig explained to us the benefits of their Vectran spokes over a traditional stainless steel spoke, essentially coming down to the much higher breaking force (or ultimate strength) of the polyester fiber spoke vs. steel. Essentially the Vectran spokes can withstand up to 6-8kN vs. 2.5-3kN for steel. With that in mind Pi Rope can lace and tension a textile spoked wheel with stiffness in mind, leaving plenty of extra spoke strength in reserve.

How that benefits a wheel build, is that the extreme of forces a spoke is subjected to get close enough to the limits of steel that the steel spoke will deform plasticly under a large impact which stretches the steel spoke to the point that it doesn’t bounce back. Now with the textile fiber spoke, that extreme impact force still happens entirely within the elastic range of spoke elongation, so even under a big impact the textile spoke will rebound to its original length. That means less need for wheel truing, especially when built up with a carbon rim that can move more elastically as well.

Durability is of course an important factor in spoke design, since you can’t just walk into any bike shop in the world and pick up a spare Pi Rope spoke. First off these Vectran spokes are already cut & abrasion resistant, remember this is the same material that gives tires like the Conti GP 4000 its puncture resistance. Plus, like the Berd polyethylene spokes, their own tension keeps them from collecting much in the way of contamination. Then to make the naturally golden fibers more durable, Pi Rope applies a milky white treatment to the completed spoke that reduces its tendency to abrade or fray and also protects against UV degradation. Additionally dying the spokes is possible, with the Pi Rope team already have made some in black, red & blue.

Pricing & Availability

Pi Rope builds up three different cross-country and trail mountain bike wheelsets with their spoke system. The top of the line is the RL Squirrel X.22 29er wheels that tipped our scale at just 1065g (488g F, 577g R). The Squirrel wheels with their carbon rim sell for 1950€.

Additionally Pi Rope also has two alloy wheelsets that sell for around 1050-1200€ with 30mm (1445-1513g) or 25mm (1193-1236g) inner rim widths. Both of those wheelsets are built in both 27.5 or 29″ variants and geared for everything from cross-country racing up to all-mountain riding.

As for actual availability, Pi Rope is building the wheels now based on their patent application from 2016. As they are finalizing production setup it may take a little while to get a set of wheels, but you should be able to order them by contacting Pi Rope directly, with expected summer into autumn delivery based on availability.

PiRope.net

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ascarlarkinyar
ascarlarkinyar
3 years ago

I like the berd system better. Proprietary hubs and rims seems like less choices. No fat bikes, no plus bikes, limited axles…. having that nipple design puts more weight on the outside of the radius where we don’t want it.
Overall weight and price is good. More companies should jump on board in this direction.

JBikes
JBikes
3 years ago

I don’t doubt these have high ultimate strengths over a steel spoke, and I think they’d make a “stronger” wheel at the same weight as a steel spoke wheel (I’d question durability, but as long as that’s understood teh owner can manage it)

I question whether they actually make for a stronger wheel because their ultimate tension strength is greater. I’m also wary of saying a lighter wheel (same spoke count or less) is technical stronger because

– How many spokes fail from overload (exceeding yield stress) vs cyclical fatigue?
– In the overload scenario, how does the rim hold up? If an impact if significant enough to overload a spoke(s), I’d wager the localized stress on the rim will cause the rim to fail as well at which point it really doesn’t matter if the spokes hold. Lower spoke count doesn’t help here even if you can tension them more.

TheKaiser
TheKaiser
3 years ago
Reply to  JBikes

Agreed regarding the statement about these being “Stronger” than an equivalent steel spoked wheel. Stronger is a loosely defined term, but the only context in which I can imagine it being true is if these spokes have greater elasticity, then they may be in a more stretched position when fully tensioned, and therefore may resist a complete loss of tension better when under extreme load scenarios. As I am sure you know, a complete loss of tension is when things go pear shaped for a wheel, both in terms of acute loads leading to the wheel collapsing, and in terms of chronic fatigue loads from the spokes snapping back to tension when the wheel returns to its normal equilibrium.

JBikes
JBikes
3 years ago
Reply to  TheKaiser

I think polyethylene/esters tend to be pretty elastic. Vectran’s site seems to show a pretty low modulus. Which could make for a very unique ride feel (and robust wheel sans impact damage)

Always thought modulus of elasticity was an under-discussed topic with regards to cycling, especially in frames. I always think this property, second to geometry and sans extremes, is what tends to make different materials feel the way they do rather than the more oft discussed ultimate strength and strength to weight. Its a direct equivalent to a spring rate. One can have static sag set identically via preload adjustment, but different spring rates will yield vastly suspension feel. On a road bike, the frame is the suspension. In the end though, a good riding bike is a good riding bike and seemingly can be made from almost anything.

Shenandoah
Shenandoah
3 years ago
Reply to  JBikes

jbikes, 100% agree. Strength is good to be able to make “light without breaking” but (quite) pointless for dynamic behaviour where young modulus is key.
The reason they don’t market it is that within a metal family (steel, titanium, aluminium…) young modules doesn’t change, irrespectivy of the strength variation, so difficult to market.
Now for a spoke, strength is needed due to cycles (fatigue), but again stiffness will come from young modulus and this is the key. Now Spinergy use pbo that is one of the stiffest fiber (more than vectran or the dyneema http://www.mse.mtu.edu/~drjohn/my4150/props.html ) without making a serious difference. The only significant spokendofferences have been the carbon fiber ones (lightweight, Mavic CCu) or tubular ones (Mavic or Corina Mcc).

Ripnshread
Ripnshread
3 years ago

Spinergy has been doing “rope” spokes for 20+ years.

Padrote
Padrote
3 years ago
Reply to  Ripnshread

Good for them. Selling bike products in 2018 seems to be coming up with the right combination of some brand image, maybe a technological gimmick, and plenty of marketing.

Robin
Robin
3 years ago
Reply to  Ripnshread

Spinergy has been using PBO spokes, not Vectran or Dyneema spokes. While they’re all fiber spokes, that doesn’t mean their properties are the same.

Shenandoah
Shenandoah
3 years ago
Reply to  Robin

Robin, indeed you are correct. Now the matter is that with the published information, PBO appears to have the highest stiffness (young modulus) of all those “fiber spokes” and Spinergy always had issues making rear wheel stiffness (they have very high front stiffness though). Could be the hub geometry… but after 15 years they would have volves it no?

Shenandoah
Shenandoah
3 years ago
Reply to  Shenandoah

*solved

Ripnshread
Ripnshread
3 years ago
Reply to  Shenandoah

Spinergy started with Vectran Spokes. They then switched to PBO in the mid to late 90’s.

Pete
Pete
3 years ago

Proprietary hubs and rims? Pass.
Over a kilo? Pass.
Unidentified wheel characteristics? Pass.
Apparent refusal to do side-by-side tests with regular wheels to prove their worth? Hard Pass.

Early adopters, have at it!

comrad
comrad
3 years ago
Reply to  Pete

The funny thing is, you just described Mavic.

FFM
FFM
3 years ago
Reply to  comrad

Zing!

VazzedUp
VazzedUp
3 years ago

But do they make cool musical sounds when plucked?

Bmx
Bmx
3 years ago
Reply to  VazzedUp

Only if you’re a FISH fan. They go with your hemp bracelets and necklace to booth

JRF
JRF
3 years ago

Every couple years, someone decides it’s time to revive this stupid idea. Good luck, Pi.

Ingo Berbig
3 years ago

Thank you for the hard facts about our products. The only thing I can say is that we know a lot what someone has to do for developing fibre spokes. Yes the young modolus is the most necessary thing.
So what I can say is to invite you for some tests. Please feel free to contact me.

Best regards

Ingo from PI ROPE

Monica
Monica
6 months ago

Do not buy anything from the pi rope, the products are very fragile and the company does not give any guarantee. When you look for the pi rope, she doesn’t pay attention to you. I have had a wheel stopped for more than 1 month. They want to charge for the guarantee, that is, there is no guarantee.