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Dear Bike Industry: Just Because I Ride an E-Bike Doesn’t Mean I’m Lazy

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Full disclosure: I have an e-bike. In fact, I currently have a couple of e-bikes in my garage. Due to working in the bike industry, I have ridden many of them.

And, full disclosure: I love e-bikes. But I also love their acoustic counterparts, and spend a significant amount of time on trail and enduro bikes. 

And downhill bikes. I love downhill bikes, but now I’m getting into bike park and chairlift territory, which dilutes the argument.

Or does it?

Very few stand at the base of a chair lift, telling those aboard to “earn their turns!” Seldom do we see social media posts about bike park users who “aren’t real mountain bikers” because they refuse to pedal up.

But perhaps that is because the downhill rider, the chairlift/shuttle user, isn’t at your trailhead. An e-bike, however, might be. I might be at your trailhead. On my e-bike. But before you assume that I must be lazy and not a real mountain biker because of a bit of pedal assistance, hear me out.

There are a lot of reasons I ride e-bikes, and none of them have to do with not being able to pedal up a hill.

E-Bikes Prioritize More Descending

I would be lying if I didn’t say that a big reason I ride e-bikes is to maximize the number of laps back down the hill. While I’m not opposed to climbing, and even enjoy a good challenge once in a while, the main reason I ride is for the descent.

Simply put, I want to be faster on the way down. I want my skills and abilities to grow exponentially more on the downs than on the way up. In fact, I don’t really care at all to improve my climbing skills.

For me, climbing is a means to an end. 

At one of my local trail systems, I usually have the time and energy for two laps on my trail bike. The climb is nearly four miles, and ascends 1,200 feet over that distance. There are one or two punchy sections, but, for the most part, the trail generally meanders up the hill. 

There is also a good amount of rocky tech mixed in, which can be fun at first but becomes a drag, especially on my second lap.

When I’m really on it, I’ve made it to my descent in 45 minutes. When I pushed hard like that, my second climb was significantly slower, if it happened at all. On average, with a few short breaks here and there, I’d say the climb takes me about an hour. 

On my e-bike, that climb takes roughly 30 minutes. And what is maybe two laps on my trail bike is extended to four or five on my e-bike. I am also less fatigued on each descent, though the e-bike’s added weight is noticeable. 

But, bottom line, on an e-bike, I’m able to at least double the amount of descending I would normally do on my trail bike. This is the fun part for me. It is why I ride, and the area I want to improve. 

I want to ride faster and push harder. I want to be more comfortable in the steeps, on rock rolls, on techy descents, and on fast, flowy sections. I want to corner better and faster, and just be more confident. 

This sort of progress comes from lap upon lap of descending. This sort of progress is what I’ve gained from riding an e-bike.

Time Constraints

Another reason I ride e-bikes quite a bit is that I can squeeze in a full ride in significantly less time. This is especially true during the winter.

The winter season ushers in the shortest days of the year. I live in the Pacific Northwest, not too far from the 45th parallel (halfway between the equator and the North Pole), and dusk can set at 4:30 in the afternoon. 

This means absolutely no after-work rides, unless you’re strapping on lights. The sun isn’t rising as early either, which may eliminate the possibility of a morning ride. 

In fact, quite a few of my friends will hang up their bikes for the season, waiting for warmer, longer days. If I did that, I would go crazy. If I don’t get out for a ride every two or three days, I start to get cranky and feel like my head is filling up with too many things. 

Bikes level me. They let my world pause and allow me to take a breath.

My wife would also go crazy. Now, she doesn’t mountain bike, but having to put up with me after I haven’t pedaled for a week is enough to do it. These are the times when she will politely take over whatever I am doing and say, “Hey, I feel like you need to go for a ride.”

Without an e-bike, I would likely be quite a mess this time of year. My normal time to ride is early in the morning. Most of the year, this isn’t an issue, as I can be climbing while the sun is coming up around 6:30 AM, or even earlier. 

During the winter, that gets bumped back at least an hour. That is an hour taken away from the window of time I have to ride. Thinking again of the trail system I mentioned earlier, the four-mile, 1,200-foot climb will likely take me an hour. A nearly two-mile descending trail will have me back at the bottom in less than ten minutes. 

Being conservative, that is an hour and ten minutes of bike time. With the drive to and from the trailhead, and the time needed to clean up and change, that leaves me very little time. If I have something at 9:00 AM, a winter morning ride is likely out of the question. However, if I jump on my e-bike, bike time is more than cut in half, and I can easily get out for a lap–potentially two.

Also on the subject of winter riding, ebikes make it easier to dress for winter laps. You’re not working quite as hard on the climbs, so you don’t need to dress to be able to vent a ton of heat before bundling up for the descent. Instead, you can dress warmer for the whole rides with fewer layers which makes for faster preparation and cleanup.

I’m also a dad. I envy those who seem to climb on their bike on a Friday evening, finally dismounting Monday morning. But with two kids, my days of riding all day are over. Or they are at least very few and far between and require significant planning. 

The reality is, for as much riding as I like to do, and as many rides as I need to do for this line of work (I try to ride at least four days a week), a few of those rides need to be on an e-bike. I don’t want to miss dinners together or Saturday afternoons at the park or Sunday morning breakfast because I’m constantly gone riding. 

I don’t want my kids to start referring to me as “Travis” and shaking my hand rather than hugging me because Dad is just gone too much riding his bike. With a little pedal assist, I can do a few laps and still get to the dance recital or play performance.

E-bike Exploration

Make no mistake, I absolutely consider all the e-bikes I get to ride as another fun bike option for me to choose from. To use an already overused analogy, it is another steed in the stable. There are many reasons, some of which I’ve mentioned, that I might choose an e-bike over a trail or enduro bike, with “it’s a fun bike” certainly being one of those reasons. 

However, I also see e-bikes as an incredibly impactful tool, and I use them as such. And, if I had to choose one reason to have an e-bike, this would probably be it.

About a year ago, I was able to explore a new-to-me trail system about an hour away from my sister’s. We were on a little family vacation, and I always try to bring a bike. It was my first time on these trails, and while I did a bit of research and looked at trail maps, I still had no idea which trails to prioritize. Fortunately, I brought my e-bike for that first trip there, and I was able to ride them all.

I always try to take an e-bike for my first time at a trailhead. This allows me to explore the system and weed out some of the trails by taking a lap on the e-bike first. If I don’t like the descent, I haven’t wasted an hour of climbing and a ridiculous amount of effort. In my opinion, there is nothing more disheartening than putting in a ton of effort, having a mediocre experience, and finding out the real gem is the next trail over.

Often, after first exploring all the trails on my e-bike, I’ll return with an enduro or trail bike. And that is exactly what I did with this trail system near my sister’s house. On our next visit, I opted to pedal under my own power, but knew the trails I wanted to hit. 

Thanks, e-bikes!

Again, this is especially handy given my job. I often get opportunities to visit and write about trail systems that are pretty far from home. If I have the choice, I opt for an e-bike every time.

When visiting these places, I may only have one or two days (if I’m lucky) to ride the trail system. That is hardly enough time to experience all the trails and get a good feel for them. But on an e-bike, I can typically ride all* (I mean, it depends on how many miles we’re talking about) the trails, likely with multiple laps on a few standouts.

Okay, Time for my Rant…

These are my pretty calm, pretty respectful, and pretty understandable reasons why my e-bike usage doesn’t make me lazy. Likely, they don’t piss many people off.

But this might.

I’m tired of the “hardcore” mountain bikers. The “earn your turns” mountain bikers. Let me explain.

Often, in my experience, on the topic of e-bikes, there will be a slew of these types of mountain bikers who like to comment about how they “don’t need a motor,” or this is a “cheater bike.” Comments such as these are often accompanied by frustrations about e-bikes at their local trailhead (where ebikes are legal).

In many cases (especially in local social media groups), these trailheads are mentioned by name. 

In some cases, I have ridden at these trailheads. And, I have to say, for as “hardcore” as these anti-e-bike mountain bikers are, they are riding some pretty vanilla trails. I look no further than frustrations about the most popular trailhead in my hometown. 

There isn’t a trail above green that leaves that trailhead. Yet, so many “hardcore” mountain bikers complain about the e-bikers there.

And that isn’t to say that I even think e-bikes should be riding there. Much of the frustration stems from rental shops sending customers (tourists) to that trailhead after renting a bike. I don’t ride my e-bike there. In fact, I don’t ride any bike there.

I also don’t have a problem with riding green trails. You don’t have to exclusively ride black and double blacks to be a “good” mountain biker. Beginner trails are there for a reason – to help introduce people to the sport, and provide a mellow option for those who want it. As long as everyone is following the rules of the trail, it shouldn’t matter to you what the other riders are using.

You do you and ride what you like. But, if you want to view yourself as superior and a more “hardcore” mountain biker than someone just because they’re using a bit of pedal assist, maybe you should first take your hardcore self to some more difficult trails first.

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Name
Name
27 days ago

Didn’t read after “acoustic” .

Alex
Alex
27 days ago
Reply to  Name

I stopped reading after “Full disclosure:”

myke
myke
26 days ago
Reply to  Alex

stopped reading after wants to get up faster and doesn’t care about climbing

Zach Overholt
26 days ago
Reply to  Name

*deleted due to someone impersonating BikeRumor staff.

Last edited 26 days ago by Zach Overholt
Tom
Tom
26 days ago
Reply to  Zach Overholt

are you serious?

Last edited 25 days ago by Zach Overholt
Zach Overholt
Admin
26 days ago
Reply to  Tom

That wasn’t me, see the comment below about being impersonated.

Tom
Tom
24 days ago
Reply to  Zach Overholt

thanks for saying it

Exodux
26 days ago
Reply to  Zach Overholt

I hope you’re joking. While I made a post against ebikes, I believe Travis was just being honest, and good for him.

Last edited 25 days ago by Zach Overholt
Zach Overholt
Admin
26 days ago
Reply to  Exodux

That wasn’t me, see the comment below about being impersonated.

Doc Sarvis
Doc Sarvis
26 days ago
Reply to  Zach Overholt

I am looking for the sarcasm here but am struggling to find it. If true you are missing the point.

Zach Overholt
Admin
26 days ago
Reply to  Doc Sarvis

That wasn’t me, see the comment below about being impersonated.

Zach Overholt
Admin
26 days ago
Reply to  Zach Overholt

Folks, that wasn’t me posting above about Travis. Note the Admin label below my name on this comment. Any time an official BR team member is posting, you will see the Admin badge.

This is the same troll we’ve had problems with in the past, impersonating me, who uploaded my avatar and used my name.

Travis is still very much part of the team.

Last edited 26 days ago by Zach Overholt
Ed LLorca
Ed LLorca
26 days ago
Reply to  Name

And you are exactly who the author writes about…

Doc Sarvis
Doc Sarvis
27 days ago

Very well laid out. I have had some of the best moments in my long career making some crazy uphill switchback at .5mph on my ebike. I am also riding about 4x what I used to and loving it.

John Hancock
John Hancock
27 days ago
Reply to  Doc Sarvis

I don’t think “making” means what you think it means. The battery ‘made’ the climb, not you. You were just along for the ride.

Doc Sarvis
Doc Sarvis
27 days ago
Reply to  John Hancock

Yeah it just levitated itself up on its own.

Greg
Greg
26 days ago
Reply to  John Hancock

Tell me you’ve never ridden an e-bike without saying you’ve never even straddled an e-bike…

Ed LLorca
Ed LLorca
26 days ago
Reply to  John Hancock

you sound like you’ve never rode an uphill switchback…

Tom
Tom
26 days ago
Reply to  Doc Sarvis

wait til some of these pricks get older and find out they can’t do 5 hr mtb rides anymore…

craig
24 days ago
Reply to  Tom

Exactly how old would that be?

Tom
Tom
24 days ago
Reply to  craig

well, getting old enough to have some emotional maturity would be a start.

carbonnation
carbonnation
27 days ago

@Travis, unfortunately, I have witnessed e-mtbs dislodge rocks that would probably eventually get dislodged ‘naturally’ but I have seen baby-heads that I have known for years get ‘torqued’ out of their slumber prematurely. As someone who does trail maintenance/work–I am not particularly stoked on this new reality.

name
name
27 days ago
Reply to  carbonnation

From one trail builder to another, bullshit.

craig
26 days ago
Reply to  name

True. If you’re trails are on slickrock. On a lot of soils, unfortunately, carbonnation’s observations are spot on.

John Hancock
John Hancock
27 days ago
Reply to  carbonnation

It’s not just the damage. It’s also the speeds. Maybe having an ebike on a paved trail go zipping by at 15-20mph is OK. But not so much on single track. And ebikes focus so much on speed, the riders are just there for the speed. Not all, but enough, are jerks who don’t care about blowing by you at high speeds.

myke
myke
26 days ago
Reply to  John Hancock

I have had too many close calls. I know there are many good people on emtb’s, and I have met some. However, the assist on these machines should be far less and more realistic to what is acceptable speeds on most trails.

PHP
PHP
26 days ago
Reply to  carbonnation

it’s the corner cutting and straight-lining everything here. because they are carrying too much speed, the singletrack has turned into triple track in a lot of places

Brad
Brad
25 days ago
Reply to  PHP

Tell us you Strava hard without saying Strava.

Seth
Seth
26 days ago
Reply to  carbonnation

I’ve also seen fat bikes on non ebikes months same. So your argument doesn’t hold water

Scott
Scott
27 days ago

So here’s the issue I have with e-bikes on the local trails…the bikes are so much heavier than an “acoustic” bike that they tear the crap out of the trails, ruining them for the rest of us.

Personally I will always look down on ebike riders. I mean come on? do you really need a motor and a rig that weights 50 pounds to log a few miles?

Dougal
Dougal
27 days ago
Reply to  Scott

Where I live, it is dead flat. The trails suck but it is all we got. People ride ebikes. Makes no sense to me. On the road and gravel, I see lots of people who ride ebikes that honestly need an e-bike. They tend to be older individuals or those with some physical issue. The MTB ebike community is very different. They tend to be able bodied individuals that just want to rip faster and harder.

And honestly, I think the public is getting tired of the industry trying to push $10,000 ebikes to us.

Last edited 27 days ago by Dougal
Sailmeister
Sailmeister
26 days ago
Reply to  Dougal

There are some folks who benefit from an e-bike (assist), but, most of the riders I see on paths and roads are younger people just looking for a speed thrill. These types of bikes do not mesh well with human powered (pedals) bicycles.

Doc Sarvis
Doc Sarvis
27 days ago
Reply to  Scott

Umm the system weight with rider aboard is about 3-5% different between e and acoustic. Not really an argument. Now if you want to compare trail damage lets talk horses after a rain.

Brad
Brad
25 days ago
Reply to  Doc Sarvis

Or high school mountain bike teams.

Joshy
Joshy
23 days ago
Reply to  Doc Sarvis

or slobs that don’t know how to use a front brake

JimM
JimM
26 days ago
Reply to  Scott

I suppose by your logic, we should ban riders over 135lbs because their weight would tear up the trail.

Brian
Brian
22 days ago
Reply to  Scott

So here’s the thing. I weigh 80 kg and I ride a 17 kg bike. An equivalent eMTB might weigh about 25 kg. Or 8% more in total.

The bike might be a lot heavier in isolation, but the system isn’t.

pablo
pablo
27 days ago

“im not lazy – but riding uphill is a means to an end” – sounds pretty lazy to me – and god forbid you had to explore a new trail on your own power – the horror!!
I absolutely see more wear on trails from emtbs – just like you mention – you ride harder and faster and higher frequency – and thats fine in a man-made park type setting – but what i particularly love about riding is being a good stewart of the places i ride in – and one earns to be there

Marti
27 days ago
Reply to  pablo

The weight thing never makes sense to me , total weight rider and bike doesn’t mean e- bike combo always heavier. Don’t see anyone complain about heavy riders tearing up the tracks on non e-bikes.

craig
26 days ago
Reply to  Marti

Heavy riders usually don’t have the power-to-weight ratio to spin their tires, and they are a lot less likely to push on down muddy trails because the mud sticking to the wheels and clogging up the frame makes the pedaling ever harder, especially if you’re chubby.

KGR
KGR
26 days ago
Reply to  craig

Nobody should be riding muddy trails, period. Aside from that, I’ve been riding Class 1 eMTBs for five years and haven’t ever experienced wheelspin while riding, even at full turbo.

John P.
John P.
26 days ago
Reply to  KGR

If you follow an E-biker up hill you will see dirt flying that is not natural. I assume you have and may be in denial. We have seen serious damage on muddy trails that had to be from an E-Bike due to the effort needed to trudge through for miles. And I own an E-bike but know that they have their place.

craig
24 days ago
Reply to  KGR

Maybe it’s the terrain in which you ride. I’ve experienced wheel spin on my non-motorized MTB many times, and I’m an old fart who is supposed to be way, way, way underpowered compared to anything or anyone with a “full turbo.” Or maybe your trails are paved. I have absolutely nothing against e-bikes on paved trails. Well, except maybe when they’re ridden by people with minimal biking skills doing 25 mph on trails winding through the woods. I’ve had too many close calls with e-bike riders who overcooked corners on flat trails and one managed hit me despite my being five feet of the trail in the grass trying to avoid him. The big point really missed in this commentary is that e-MTBs offer higher speeds to a lot of riders nowhere near as skilled in their bike handling as the author.

John Hancock
John Hancock
27 days ago

Wow, I haven’t read a bike article that’s made me this sad in a long time. So much of the joy in riding mountain bike IS BEING the engine. You take satisfaction from getting to the top of the big climb because (drumroll) YOU did it. Not a battery. There is a reason we have bike parks. Those are for the people that just want to decend. I’ve been. They are boring, and unfulfulling. Maybe an out of context reference would help. Bike parks are like hearing nothing but comedic punchlines. ‘Just punchlines’ aren’t really all that funny. You need the ‘set up’. That’s what truly makes a great joke. Going out and pedaling the full trail means you get the setups and the punchlines. And yeah, Travis, you really are just being lazy. You don’t look old enough, and didn’t mention having bad knees, so there is no reason to use a battery to get up the hills. Someday, and this applies to all of us, someday you won’t be ABLE to pedal up the hills. That’s a sad day for anyone. Yet you’ve jumped the gun by a decade or two, and given up on the joy of being able to pedal up the hills. Like I said, makes me sad…

A S
A S
27 days ago
Reply to  John Hancock

Calling bike parks “just dessert, thanks” might be a little more apt. There is nothing boring about Whistler Bike Park.

John Hancock
John Hancock
26 days ago
Reply to  A S

I went to Whistler Bike Park… Once… Just riding downhill isn’t mountain biking. At least not for me.

Joshy
Joshy
22 days ago
Reply to  John Hancock

you could have just said “not for me” at the start and left out all of the gate keeping and narcissism

Mike
Mike
22 days ago
Reply to  John Hancock

“at least not for me”. That statement sums up everything about this article and the comments following. We are thankfully(hopefully) able to have our own preferences on what makes cycling the fabulous activity that we ALL love. I should also hope that out on the trails we can all adherer to the golden rule in life. Don’t be an asshole.

LJW
LJW
26 days ago
Reply to  John Hancock

For you, that might be the case. For someone else, it’s not. Why should you get to decide what makes mountain biking fun for everyone else. I hate lift assisted runs and bike parks. I think it’s stupid. I prefer to ride up. Does that mean I should oppose all use of lifts for bikers who like it?

john
john
26 days ago
Reply to  John Hancock

Great analogy in an eloquent rebuttal to the differences in Mopeds [E-Bike] and bicycles. thanks for taking the time to write it.

Chris F
Chris F
26 days ago
Reply to  John Hancock

The thing that always amazes me about these types of discussions is the intolerance of others perspectives. Why is your view the correct one, and others wrong? There’s room for everyone. If he isn’t that in to ascending, he isn’t. Your take isn’t relevant. There’s room for all of us, and the gatekeepers need to sit down.

craig
24 days ago
Reply to  Chris F

So I presume it’ll be fine if I start riding my motocross bike on your local trail?

Schnick da Flick
Schnick da Flick
15 days ago
Reply to  craig

False equivalence.

Doc Sarvis
Doc Sarvis
24 days ago
Reply to  John Hancock

You sound like you are sad a bunch.

pablo
pablo
21 days ago
Reply to  John Hancock

well said

Schnick da Flick
Schnick da Flick
15 days ago
Reply to  John Hancock

What you’re doing here John is setting up a definition for others based on what you like or believe. Saying “I think this way to do it is is good therefore if you don’t align I disrespect you” – you call him lazy – is your ego getting in your way. He doesn’t have a problem, he’s riding whatever he likes. You do have a problem because you apply your views to others. That is an ego problem.

E-bikes surely are different to bikes like MTBs and road bikes are different. So what hey. People enjoy different things.

Christopher
Christopher
27 days ago

Since your ” 1 maybe 2 laps” turns into “4 or 5 laps”, do you donate or volunteer 4-5x as much as you did before? ebikes dont do more wear, more users do, and your 5 laps could be the same as 4 extra riders on the trails. If you take more, you should give back more.

craig
26 days ago
Reply to  Christopher

Nailed it.

Sharkey Muldoon
Sharkey Muldoon
27 days ago

Comes off lazy and entitled.

JDeeUU
JDeeUU
27 days ago

You ride a moped not a bicycle.

JBikes
JBikes
27 days ago

Your arguments are based on the perspective that only half of mtg’ing really matters to you. That is fine. Just like people that only shuttle. I don’t find it lazy, just a different perspective.

I do think mix used trails will eventually see people tired of people flying uphill. I still stand that we get some grace from hikers because we are suffering.

Now the fact you wrote this makes me think you yourself feel a bit lazy.

Your Mother Last Night
Your Mother Last Night
27 days ago

Look at all the haters coming out of the woodwork, it’s been almost a decade of eMTBs it’s time to get out of your echo chambers and smell the technological determinism.

You may not like it but this is the way, eBikes have tremendous growth do you even read the yearly sales statistics or just enjoy being internet luddites? That’s a rhetorical question please downvote.

craig
26 days ago

E-motos have even more growth potential! So le’s go all in and shred: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgjyzDS6XK8

GhostOfTomBrady
GhostOfTomBrady
26 days ago

Not wanting a motor doesn’t make one a luddite. It actually maintains that they are mountain bikers and not motorcyclists.

JBikes
JBikes
26 days ago

I think the way is actually padel. Its skyrocketing compared to e-bikes. That and cuddling a labubu. I sold all my bikes and stopped riding to ensure I didn’t miss being a part of that sales statistic

Francis Mortimer
Francis Mortimer
27 days ago

“Acoustic”? Really?

Exodux
26 days ago

I ride a “Me-bike”
Why do some call a mountain bike “acoustic” or “analog”? its a mountain bike and a ebike is an ebike, designated “mountain”, “gravel” “road”, “commuter” etc.

I also do a lot of trail building and maintenance and someone would have to be blind to not see that a motorized bike doesn’t do more damage than a non-motorized bike. It’s not just the weight and sometimes it’s not just the extra power. Sometimes it’s from the speed that they travel on some trails that were not designed to go that fast on, especially uphill. Also, the type of soil plays a huge part in how sustainable a trail is.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels ebikers are lazy…I think that every time I see a somewhat fit person riding one. If they are older and out of shape or handicapped, I think they are great for them and support that, for everyone else, including this author…you’re lazy!

Last edited 26 days ago by Exodux
John P.
John P.
26 days ago
Reply to  Exodux

Imagine a novice E-bike rider skidding down a steep and long trail over & over because the motor allowed them to ascend 4-5 times? I’ve seen it and it is a problem.

Chunk
Chunk
27 days ago

E-bikes are banned at my local trailhead, but they don’t care and don’t honor the rule.

I wouldn’t mind if the hardcore ebike bros could be bothered to call out as they rip uphill and pass at 20+ mph, but they don’t care and/or have no trail etiquette.

Wish people didn’t have to be such self-involved jerks, but oh well.

syborg
syborg
27 days ago

You convinced me… you’re lazy.

Barry Walstead
Barry Walstead
27 days ago

Lazy.
If you really like mountain biking, then ride a bike, not a moped.

sowhat
sowhat
27 days ago

This reads like it was written by a five year old throwing a tantrum.

I WANT THIS. AND I WANT THAT. AND IF I CAN’T HAVE WHAT I WANT YOU’RE A BIG, DUMB POOPYHEAD.

Seriously bro, do you have any concept at all of the world outside of your own self-absorbed interests?

Patty Arbuckle
Patty Arbuckle
27 days ago

I dream of a world where ebikes are the biggest cause of stress.

Scott
Scott
27 days ago

Stopped reading at ” I ride a E bike “

John Hancock
John Hancock
26 days ago
Reply to  Scott

You musts be the type of person who DOESN’T slow down to look at the body at an accident. You missed a heck of a dead body in this story…

mrvco
mrvco
27 days ago

Why is my acceptance of your choices so important to you? Tennis or Pickleball, your choice.

Name
Name
27 days ago

There’s a place for ebikes – the moto trails. The line is too blurred and unenforceable where dirtbikes are not allowed.

Dodo
Dodo
27 days ago

No. it does it means you are lazy. It simply means that you are not riding a bicycle. You are motorcycling. You have an ENGINE, and there is nothing “digital”, as opposed to acoustic, about it.

Robin
Robin
27 days ago

One of the more curious traits of the cycling community is how snotty cyclists can get if you don’t ride what they think you should or ride the way they think you should. Rarely do they think, “Who the hell am I to judge?”

I don’t ride an e-bike, but I have pedaled along side some folks who were riding e-bikes. They all seemed to be having fun. I didn’t think to get their medical histories to see if they had an injury or disability that “justified” being on e-bike. I did’t think to interrogate them about life style choices in order to quantify their “laziness”. Dummy me just assumed from their demeanor, smiles, chat, etc that they were happy to be out and about.

What cycling is about for me or what I get out of ride can vary from ride to ride or even from moment to moment in a ride. It can be the effort I put in. It can be the speed on a big descent. It can be all about being immersed in solitude. It can be the silence with no wind and having the silence broken by the sound of something scurrying through the desert brush.

Each ride almost is always, to some degree, getting away from people and cars. Each ride is about draining off stress and nulling any “DC offset” that’s accumulated in my interaction with the world. Each ride is definitely about getting away from the crap that people chuck at others all the time and the people that are doing that chucking. Sadly, it seems a number of them are on bikes.

Do you think someone’s lazy for riding an e-bike? Is that sort of thinking the result of critical thinking or lazy thinking?

Enjoy the ride, Travis.

craig
26 days ago
Reply to  Robin

Then why not allow motocross bikes as well? Some of us enjoy the hell out of them. But we get on MTBs to enjoy “the silence with no wind and having the silence broken by the sound of something scurrying through the desert brush.” Not to have the silence of the wind broken by the whirring on the climb or, worse yet, the tailgating of some dude insistence on passing “right nown!” on a gnarly stretch of uphill singletrack. It’s always so much fun to nearly lose a lung going deep into the red to get to a place to pull over and let that guy pass only to have him slide on by while barely pedaling.

Greg
Greg
26 days ago
Reply to  craig

I get it. You’re jealous. Understood.

craig
24 days ago
Reply to  Greg

Why would I be jealous? I’m getting that needed “physical activity” that is shown to extend lifespans while improving health. And some fat e-MTBer going by while barely pedaling is another guy on the short road to worse health and dementia. The lazy way may indeed have become the American way, but that doesn’t make it the best way. In terms of health and life expectancy, the U.S. keeps sliding down the list toward Third World countries, and there is a reason. Thank the machines.

Robin
Robin
25 days ago
Reply to  craig

There are plenty of places to enjoy the outdoors and silence. Others get to enjoy them, too, not just you.

John Hancock
John Hancock
26 days ago
Reply to  Robin

Robin, I get your sentiment. But I disagree 100%. You see, I’m old enough to remember when mountain bikes weren’t allow anywhere, period. It took decades of hard work, and building trust with the authorities to get the access we have today. Ebikes are too dam fast for off road use. It only takes one old lady, or one kid, getting creamed by one moron on an ebike – to get ALL bikes banned on a trail system. And they also do tear up the trail much worse than regular bikes. That’s what powerful motors do to trails. And that’s why motorcycles aren’t allowed on biking/hiking trails. Until such time as the industry only sells 100% pedal assist/bike that only allow you to go 3-5 miles/hour faster, they don’t belong on our trail system.

Robin
Robin
25 days ago
Reply to  John Hancock

Honestly, I really couldn’t care les that you disagree. I thank you though for being the inspiration for my post. You’re no different than the people running HOAs that make rules preventing even bicycles from being used in a neighborhood.

Das boot
Das boot
15 days ago
Reply to  John Hancock

It only takes one old lady, or one kid, getting creamed by one moron on an ebike – to get ALL bikes banned on a trail system. 

BS.

nooner
nooner
27 days ago

YOU LAZY BUM!

GhostOfTomBrady
GhostOfTomBrady
26 days ago

Why not get a real moto? Seems like a lazy way to use current easy access trails with a motor to game the system. Get a proper trail motorcycle and go ride those trails.

craig
26 days ago

Huh. “While I’m not opposed to climbing, and even enjoy a good challenge once in a while,” sounds a lot like it could have come out of the mouth of one of those drivers who start off claiming that “I’m a cyclist, too” before launching into a diatribe about “entitled” road cyclists and criticizing “costly bike lanes nobody uses.”

arm85
arm85
26 days ago

I don’t know, e-bikes to me is definitely cheating. If you are able bodied, you should not ride your e-bike on trails. I’m fine if you are commuting and riding e-bike on the paved roads as a means of transportation. If you are older and have condition and e-bikes help you get out and ride on the trails and you are respectful, then I’m cool with that. But from what I have seen on my local trails, is the able-bodied people on e-bikes zooming at 20+mph.

Tim
Tim
26 days ago

Each mountain biker chooses how subject to their local terrain conditions they are. The people most subject to the terrain are those who are still rocking 26″ wheels, rim brakes, rigid fork and a single gear- those people feel every bump and every climb is a fight. The people least subject to terrain have the biggest wheels possible, 160mm of travel or more front and rear, and a low gear that allows you to ride uphill at slower than walking speed. But with both choices, it still is your effort making the bike move forward, even if you’re overbiked with an enduro beast on green trails.
The whole point of e-bikes is that you supply less of the effort that pushes you along the trail. I don’t see anything wrong with this. It has all the benefits the author of the article mentioned (which are all real and legitimate) and perhaps some he didn’t write down. However- I think it’s a mistake to call riding an e-bike cycling.
Also, let’s not forget how much the bike industry is struggling. Sales of e-bikes are probably keeping a lot of bike company employees in a job.

craig
24 days ago
Reply to  Tim

Gee, mining and logging are keeping a lot of people in jobs, too. Should we eliminate all restrictions on those activities to ensure those jobs?

Colin Cox
Colin Cox
26 days ago

It sounds like you are trying to rationalize Mopeds on trails to yourself Travis. You’re on a slippery slope. Next comes snowboarding and then wearing pajamas in public.

Michael
Michael
26 days ago
Reply to  Colin Cox

I am so glad I am not an American,what a self righteous bunch you are, where I live and ride in the UK there are some fantastic riders ( Brendan Fairclough for one) and I never hear any of the negative crap you lot spout! I have been riding for over 35 yrs and at 69yrs I love my E bikes and my riding more than ever, Grow up boys,E bikes are here to stay!

Chris Sattler
Chris Sattler
26 days ago

Lol comment section does not pass the vibe check at all. People with no concept of how e-bikes work making absolutely ridiculous claims. I ride both, both are fun, both are valuable training tools, both are bikes, both have their pros and cons. LITERAL dirtbikes use the Downieville downhill trail and it doesn’t magically ruin the trail. Bad vibes ruin the trail.

Hammer
Hammer
26 days ago

I find this bickering a prime example of why so many new riders are scared away from the sport. Too many people with opinions that should be kept to themselves. Everyone has a right to use the trails within the prescribed guidelines. E-motos (no pedal assist) are not allowed where I live and yet people feel entitled to take them out and those can abuse the trails. For anyone willing to look beyond the end of their nose, it has been proven repeated that e-bikes do not present any additional damage to trails than any other rider and for those asking, yes I do work on trails! The reality is most people just enjoy the ride, and let others do so without worrying about whether the Strava ranking is impacted because someone didn’t properly state they were on an e-bike.

I personally love my e-bike and I refer to it as the equalizer because it allows me to do something that I could not otherwise do given my schedule/fitness/age…I can ride with my son at his pace! I don’t lack the handling skills, just the legs and lungs to do so today! I believe it is the perfect compliment to an epic ride that you want to experience more of the trails.

My bottom line is find your own enjoyments on whatever bike you choose and let others do the same!

Last edited 26 days ago by Hammer
craig
24 days ago
Reply to  Hammer

And these trails are policed how to separate the e-Motos from the e-bikes and keep the latter off? Especially with manufacturers now blurring the lines between pedal assistance and throttle: https://voltonbicycles.com/products/a-trail-ultra-emtb And given columns like this, it only seems a matter of time before Trek, Specialized, et. all cave on throttles, and start putting them on their e-MTBs becuase Americans have become fundamentally lazy and/or unwilling to accept their declines in performance with age, and thus the market will move in the direction of throttle-equipped e-MTBs.

Mountie
Mountie
26 days ago

I’m not being defensive. You’re being defensive.

Tim
Tim
26 days ago

At minimum you’ve got to give the author credit for sticking his neck out by posting this to what wasn’t likely to be a receptive crowd.

John Hancock
John Hancock
26 days ago
Reply to  Tim

No, he’s normalizing abnormal and unwanted behavior. Don’t need a single person doing 20mph+ on my singletrack trails.

Patrick
Patrick
26 days ago

Seems like laziness to me. Ebikes are a scourge on civilisation. They allow people to convince themselves and others that they are exercising, but really they are just using bicycle infrastructure with a motorcycle.

Jeb
Jeb
26 days ago

You can justify it to yourself but if it didn’t bother you you wouldn’t have written this. Also, wtf is this “doing laps” stuff I read emountainbikers always espouse. When did mountainbiking devolve into riding the same 1 mimute descent over and over again. That, sounds like a job and no fun.

JimM
JimM
26 days ago

I’ve been bike commuting, MTB riding, road riding, and bike touring around the world for nearly 70 years. Now that I have a heart condition and leg weakness due to spine surgery, I’m greatful to have an e-bike. Go ahead and say it – “OK, boomer” – but there’s a reason that the recreational bike industry exists and all these trails exist. It’s taken a lot of time for sport to get to this point. I’d love to see some of these “real, hardcore MTB riders” keep their comments to themselves when I show up on a trail with my e-MTB. If they really were “real, hardcore MTB riders”, they’d be racing or, at least, out on the challenging trails.

craig
24 days ago
Reply to  JimM

And I expect you ride the bike very, very responsibly because, as another 70-year-old+ knows, crash injuries are slower to heal as one ages, and one’s balance, no matter what one wants to believe, is not quite as good. The problem is that you’re not representative of the e-MTBers, I see on the trails I ride. Most of them are way younger, and the two big reasons they are riding an e-MTB are that a.) it is easier; and b.) they can go faster. Easier is fine by me. To each his own. Faster can in many places be a problem both in terms of trail damage and injuries to the people the e-bike collides with. If someone is going to run into me, I’d much rather have it be a 140-pounder on weight-weenied, 10 kilogram cross-country bike run into me at 15 mph than an out-of-control 250-pounder on 50-pound eMTB doing 20 mph even though his bike handling skills are barely suited to doing 10 mph.

Erik
Erik
26 days ago

Let’s be real, it’s much more than “a bit of pedal assist.” Cumulative watts of the motor and the rider are more than world tour riders. It’s totally obnoxious when absolutely drilling it on a climb and a train of people on e-bikes are dinging their bells to pass. The massive difference in watts is disruptive to the normal flow of a purely human powered activity. For elderly people or others with conditions that limit their cardiac output or ability to produce power, e-bikes are an awesome way for them to continue enjoying cycling. However, the amount of watts that can be kicked out by many e-bikes is far over the range that can be sustained by even an elite level cyclist. We have people riding motorcycles on mountain bike trails. There need to be more trails that don’t allow e-bikes!

Ron G.
Ron G.
26 days ago

Whoa–that was a ton of justification for something you claim to be so certain of. But, sure, there are plenty of reasons someone might choose an ebike. I’m sure it’s fun, and I have no doubt you truly enjoy it. It’s still not a mountain bike, and many of us have similar feelings about lifts, shuttles, etc. Just look at the great Sheldon Brown’s entry for “Downhill Racing” (which I love to watch; no hate here): “I consider this fad to be bad for cycling, and contrary to the spirit of cycling. It is effectively just a variant form of motorcycle racing, since most of the power is provided by the machinery that carries the rider and bike to the top of the run. Bicycling should be a human-powered activity, or it is not bicycling to me.”

Last edited 26 days ago by Ron G.
Nina S.
Nina S.
26 days ago

After reading the article and the comments, I would like to weigh in. The article used the term e-bike but did not clarify if these are pedal bikes with e-assist (often called a Class 1 e-bike) or if these have a throttle which can go without being pedaled: Class 2 and 3) It does make a difference. The Class 1 e-bike can be a help on hills, but you still do the work. It does decrease much of the strain.
I can understand the concern for trail damage cause by heavier bikes. The question is how much worse is this than wear and tear from an enduro or other off road motorcycle?
I don’t mountain bike these days, but I do plenty of other bicycling. As an older rider who has endured serious injuries do to a careless driver, my Class 1 e-bike has meant continued miles of pedaling without pain.

Phil
Phil
26 days ago

I do have to say it warms my heart seeing e-bikes on the back of a shuttle van.

Dave Coulson
Dave Coulson
26 days ago

The point is to be able to get outside and enjoy the trail systems! I’m 75 and maintain my local trails and have spinal stenosis and cannot ride unless it’s on an e-assisted bike. If I don’t get that “mental vacation” by getting on the local trails/roads, it affects my mental and physical health. My assisted bikes have given me a chance to enjoy the roads and trails so I stay alive and have fun! You posers are too stupid to understand why you’re supposed to be out there!

craig
24 days ago
Reply to  Dave Coulson

Dave: If only you were representative of the majority of e-MTBers. But you’re not. The ones on my trails are much younger, apparently healthy and mainly interested in e-MTBs because they are faster, and they don’t have to sweat as much (if at all) to get to the tops of the hills that they want to ride down. It’s lift-served biking without the lifts, but that presents a variety of problems on singletrack. I don’t think anyone on here is being a “poser” because they recognize the problems that can arise. And actually, in some places, they have set up a system to permit folks like you to get authority to ride e-MTBs on trails kept generally closed to e-bikes. I find it hard to believe anyone posting here would want to deny that opportunity to someone like you but, to repeat, you are not representive of the majority.

Paul
Paul
26 days ago

I refuse to discriminate against the disabled. People with a time disability or climb disability need e-bikes to do what fully able body riders take for granted.

craig
24 days ago
Reply to  Paul

WTH is a “time disability?”

JBikes
JBikes
23 days ago
Reply to  craig

they are normally called kids and may include other adult obligations

Flop77
Flop77
26 days ago

I live in France and i ride both , and i don’t think i’m a lazy guy
I ride at least 2hours every single day : my acoustic bike for trails,cardio-training, bike packing, commuting (80% of my rides) and i ride the eMTB for the technical trails (when i want to develop my technical skills uphill) and it help me still riding when my knee hurts.
Having an e bike in my garage il also useful to get my non cyclist friends go riding with me as they can follow me when i’m on my normal bike.

hombre
hombre
26 days ago

great big heap of BS.

Sailmeister
Sailmeister
26 days ago

This is about mountain biking so I won’t rant, other than to say the speeds obtained by e-bikes out-pace the ability of MOST of the riders on them.

Tom
Tom
26 days ago

I am absolutely flabbergasted at the vitriol in these comments. I’ve been riding MTBs since 1986, and my friends and I have never felt hate towards E-bikes. Maybe it’s because we don’t see them THAT much, many of the trails we ride are so brutal that unskilled riders have no shot at riding them. I will say that as an older guy, I WILL be on an E bike at some point because I simply won’t be able to handle some of the efforts that I used to do. I hope that when I do, I won’t be greeted by a chorus of purists telling me to EFF-OFF.

Tim
Tim
26 days ago
Reply to  Tom

I think (and definitely hope) the hate is reserved for young and able-bodied folk who ride e-bikes. Even if that is so, I think the characterization of e-biking as proof of a moral flaw is weird, brutal and arrogant. (My trails are also not flooded with e-bikers, so that may be why my judgment is essentially neutral.)
That said- I do think e-biking is not cycling, it is a different activity and calling it cycling is a misrepresentation.

John P.
John P.
26 days ago
Reply to  Tom

I don’t think purists will be saying that if you are older. If you choose to ride it at twice the speed you did when you were younger and dust you acoustic riding buddies, then they may say it.

B-Man
B-Man
26 days ago

Hmmm… I just scrolled to see how long the post was, because I suspected it would be long. Classic case of rationalizing guilt. Maybe mountain biking isn’t for you?

Tom
Tom
26 days ago
Reply to  B-Man

or maybe he’s trying to explain his position to an audience that clearly is not receptive to any orthodoxy outside of their own. And here I thought the point of MTBing was to have fun. Having grown up in the road racing world, I always saw the MTB side of things as much more relaxed, friendly and approachable. Guess not.

craig
24 days ago
Reply to  Tom

The MTB side is much more relaxed, friendly and approachable. But we’re not talking about just the MTB side anymore. Some new dog have shown up in the park in the form of e-MTBs, and it would appear some of the prissy poodles and lovable Labradors, and snotty Scotties have a problem with wolves.

Tim
Tim
25 days ago
Reply to  B-Man

Let me get this right- you didn’t even read the article and then told us what it’s about?

Richie
Richie
26 days ago

Most sane MTB’ers wont disparage someone who is old or disabled from using an eBike to keep riding. And for many it allows them to enjoy a sport they love well into old age or after a life changing medical issue.

My issue with them is how the cycling industry has jumped head first into them without taking into account the negatives of putting a motor on bike (aka motorbike). They have entered an arms race with competitor brands to see who can make the most powerful eBike that costs the most. You have 1000w motor-bicycles costing $10K-15K and that is becoming the norm for the larger brands.

You also remove a barrier to access by adding a motor. Steep, narrow, and technical trails near me are all now wider and straightened/rutted out from eBike riders draggin brakes and riding around the rocks. When you had to commit to a 1700ft climb under your own power, only the more skilled riders would choose those trails which kept traffic low and the trails in better shape overall.

And removing the healthful benefits of cycling (aka cardio) is a negative overall to a larger health problem we have here in the USA. Mountain biking is hard, its supposed to be hard, and its a physical avctivity requiring you to use the heart and lungs and legs to the benefit of your personal health.

Ed LLorca
Ed LLorca
26 days ago

Ebikes fundamentally change the sport. It took years to open trails to mtbs and now ebikes are drawing scrutiny and risking closing them back down. You know how scary to a hiker or equestrian it is to have an ebike fly around a corner at 20mph? As for the descend only types, their descent speeds cause more injury to others in incidents. I ride motorcycles (and hike and bike) so I know that an ebike is a convenient baby motorcycle that does not play well with others.

Brent
Brent
25 days ago

They are two very different sports that shouldn’t be done on the same trails. I have nothing against e-bikes but please get out and build your own trails, leave the mountain bike trails to the mountain bikers.

WhateverBikes
25 days ago

You can’t have your cake and eat it.
You ride ebikes for ‘reasons’, and that’s your choice, but you don’t get to dictate people’s opinions on it.

I can put a dork disc on my bike for whatever reason, but I can’t stop people from thinking it’s dorky.

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