Interchange Shimano & Campy 11-Speed Cassettes, Save Your Wheels

Rick-

My understanding is that the determination happens at the derailleur, so if you put an Ultegra Di2 rear derailleur on an otherwise 9070 bike, it’ll do 10.

This should make it possible to compare shifting function of the cassettes, all else equal.
My bet is that the Shimano cassette will shift better.

Jayson – the point is, if you have a Shimano drivetrain and existing wheels that can be used with Campagnolo, you can use a Campy freehub body and 11spd cassette with the new 11spd Shimano Dura-Ace. You don’t need new wheels.

And if you are using 11spd Campy you can now use Shimano 11spd cassettes for more gearing choices.

Just using the above visual as a test it is plain to see that there is at least a millimeter or more difference between the two cassettes. That would by itself be a big enough difference for this not to work in a sufitient manner for the level of components that you are refering to. You’ve got to pay to play.

The Italians design something for there groupset. The Japanese did the same with 9000. If you mix the groups I promise you will be damaging parts that are very expensive.

I’m with The Goats on this one. I wish there was a single freehub body standard between the big 3, but as the optimization of drivetrain components continues, I see that becoming less and less of a possibility. More to the point, I also think that the spacing looks close enough here that you could futz with the shifting a bit and get it working passably well without needing new wheels. That could be great news for the early adopters of Shimano 11, as their risk is limited to just buying a new drivetrain, albeit a pricey one, and not new and likely expensive wheels to boot.

And now we have a new MTB standard for 11sp (10 to 42). Wonderful.

Can somebody just pick one. This new Hope one that allows for 9t cog would be fine. Yeah, and 142×12 rear for all.

Yes, but what about interchanging old school campy and shimano seatposts?

what is most odd is that the shimano cassette has the narrower spacing, even though it requires the longer freehub.

One problem is that Campy cassettes hang over the end of the freehub. This is only applicable to that small segment that has enough $$$ for 9000, but doesn’t want to spring for new wheels….or wait probably not even them. If you have a rear wheel with White Industries H3 or a Mavic wheel and Shimano 10 speed drivetrain–this COULD save you a couple bucks. Who switches from Campy 11 speed to Shimano? Unless they have one of the very few Shimano 11sp compatible hubs(almost no one yet, and WHY if you’re running Campy) it would be impossible to switch to the Shimano 11sp body for the(non-existent) gear combo advantage. Didn’t Campy make a 11-29 cassette before Shimano? Now they BOTH offer the same number of cassette options.

If you have Campy and hate it you should swap to Shimano freehub body, lose a gear, sell the group, and buy Dura-Ace 9000 or Ultegra DI2. The advantage to Dura Ace 9000 is not 11 gears–10 is easily enough–it’s the best front shifting(rivals DI2) of any cable-operated group. The chainring compatibility is a nice bonus. If you get the Dura Ace 9000 11-25 or 12-28 and drop the 16t cog it gives you a nice range of gears with full compatibility with rear hubs.

FYI, I am running the wheels manufacturing campy 11 cassette that fits on a shimano freewheel body.
It’s basically a modified ultegra cassette. (Using it on my Madfiber shimano spline wheels)
After a very short, initial break-in period it’s working exactly as well as my SR 11s cassette.

So, I am fairly confident that if the spacing between the rings is the same you should have no problem running a shimano 11 with your campy drivetrain.

If you’re really dropping this kind of coin on either of these groups, buck up and buy new wheels as well. Or maybe hold of for a few more paychecks until that becomes realistic. Counting your couch change to buy the newest high-end group is indicating a serious priority issue. Not that there’s something wrong with that condition (we all suffer from it once in a while), but spending that chunk of change warrants doing something right the first time IMO.

So here’s another option to throw in the mix. If I have a wheelset with shimano/sram style 10spd freehub body and I buy a Wheels Mfg 11spd Campy conversion cassette I can keep my wheels, my freehub body and just get this new cassette to make my current wheels compatible with 11spd DA9000. This is something I’ve been thinking about for the last week or two and reading this article makes me think it should probably work. Any thoughts?

I have Campy Record 11 speed EPS. Love it. I use 32 spoke Stans Alpha 400 tubeless clincher rims. Problem is that I also am pushing 235 lbs. and I’m tough on rims. I’ve been told – no idea if correct – that the Dura Ace tubeless clincher rims are the best tubeless rims going for a heavy rider (I’m way over Campy weight limits on their two-way fit wheels). So – I’d like to run the Dura Ace wheels with my Campy EPS.

My question – anyone make a conversion hub body that allows a Campy 11 speed cassette to be used on the Dura Ace wheels?

I’d settle for finding tubeless rims (that are stronger that the Stans 400 tubeless rims – and they are about as strong as anything I found when I built my wheels) and rebuild the wheels. I cracked two of the Stans Alpha 340 rims – that’s why I started using 400’s. I think I just cracked one of those. I really want to stay tubeless – not go to some 36 spoke tubed wheel.

I have a set of 2014 tubular Mad Fiber wheelset with a 11 speed SRAM hub. I cannot find anyone with a campy replacement as the company went under. I have been told there is a company out there that makes a Shimano free body that will fit on a Camp cassette. Is this a true statement and if so where can I purchase one.

If it’s of any help I’ve just fitted e-tap on my campy chorus without changing the crankset or cassette – it works fine, a little “noise” on occasion, but not having ridden it with shimano or sram I don’t know if it would differ – something for the future maybe?