Shimano’s New PRO Tharsis XTR Di2 Integrated Bar, Stem Spotted in the Wild

Al, that is what they did, and them some.

https://bikerumor.com/2014/04/11/first-look-all-new-shimano-xtr-m9000-1x-2x-and-3x-11-speed-mtb-groups/

Will, it’s big, ugly and fits on a DT Swiss fork. What else did you need to know?

@jon jon

Because it’s better. That’s all.

Their system DOES compete with SRAM. If only in the way that they’re top-endtop-end. As far as revenue goes, they don’t need to. It would also have meant a complete redesign of their freehub. Fitting cup and cone bearings into a freehub compatible with a 10t sprocket AND through axle systems, is nigh impossible without reducing durability.

If everyone made the same things in the same way, why would you ever choose one over the other? Price, and that’s a game no one wants to play in the open.

If it’s too expensive for you, I get it, but 1x systems aren’t a cure-all for drivetrain woes. SRAM made one first because they can’t make a well-shifting front derailleur to save their lives.

CXisfun – 08/01/14 – 3:50pm
“SRAM made one first because they can’t make a well-shifting front derailleur to save their lives.”
^ This.
^^ This and add hydraulic brakes to that too.

A few of you guys hit the nail on the head, SRAM’s front shifting sucks and still does. So they “improved” it by getting rid of it. True marketing brilliance. XX1 riders neglect the stupid cassette design/hub designed needed to make this work. IMO Shimano deserves credit for a 11 speed MTB cassette that is a standard design and works on current wheels.

That begin said I have used XX1 and it is the best shifting SRAM group I have ever ridden. I liked the simplicity of it. But the reality is there just are not as many gear options, the range is great, but the jumps are much larger, especially on the low end of gear. I found when I have ridden it I do not shift nearly as much, so I am forced to accept lessor gear options.

Personally give me a 2 ring option, that is less of a compromise, with great front shifting and I am happy. I have Di2 on my road bike, so the idea of a single Di2 shifter to run a 2/11 mountain biking system is something I would try. Yeah it is expensive, so is everything else on the high end.

I like the idea behind these bars and have figured it was only a matter of time with Shimano’s PRO parts to get bar, stem and post integration for Di2.

Shimano blew it because they did not want to re-do their freehub body. They really missed the boat with the 11-40 cassette. If running 1×11 you really need 10-42 gearing.
It is a huge difference on each end. They really missed the mark. No more kickstanding otb mishifts for me now that I dropped shimano for SRAM. I still love the brakes but they blew it with the “rythym shift”.

Of course not.

[Sparta]THIS IS PINKBIKE!!![/Sparta]

This article is about the bar/stem combo with internal wire routing.
I think Shimano-Pro they solved nothing with this product, only add some complexity on the stem and headset adjustment and some holes in the bar (which is never good on a carbon part). Quite pointless I think

A friend of mine made a mod already in his carbon road bike, all cables were hidden. He just drilled some small holes in the cabon parts, and no cables in the whole bike, just the brakes. All cables gone.

Shimano will work in this much deeper, just to compete against the future sram wireless…

I want that stem -just the stem!- and I’d like to know when it will be available so I can put it on my road bike.

Expander plugs work well enough to get the job done, but I’m kinda tired of them, especially after using the “Internal Thread Technology” of Easton’s EC90XD fork on my ‘cross bike (you just screw a plug into the threaded inside of the steerer tube instead of setting an expander plug).

This stem, although not flippable or angled, looks to have that same sort of simplicity of setup but with the ability to run on any fork. Also, since I wouldn’t have a star nut, expander plug, battery, or anything else in my steerer tube, I could just leave off that dust cap and stick an ice cream cone in there to lick while I ride.

“the point is to reduce shifting complexity down to a single human interface rather than two. This is analogous to moving from an 18 speed semi-truck transmission (which is operated by a professional driver) to a passenger car manual transmission.”

Exactly. This problem has been plaguing the amateur mountain bike scene for too long. The experience gap between learning how to shift with the right thumb and that overly complex left thumb is not one to underestimate. The pros can handle it, sure, but amateurs should not be messing with an FD unless they’re certified and have signed a waiver. I could never do it. I rode a bike with 2x once a year ago in the parking lot and couldn’t get out of the first ring so I quit cycling until the geniuses at Sram realized that low level riders want to have fun too. I just wish they didn’t make it lighter and less cluttered. No one was asking for that.