Last week, we published the highlights from Specialized’s 2013 GPL (Global Product Launch). About 160 other journalists from around the world shuffled through various presentations to see the key new models. For mountain bikes, that was the Enduro primarily, with a call out to the new Cambers and the fact that they’re 29er only. Check the original post for tech details on those bikes.
After the formal intros, I spoke with product managers and engineers to get the rest of the story. Turns out, there’s plenty more new stuff. And, per usual, we gave our bike scale (and the PM’s shoulders!) a workout weighing just about every model in the lineup.
One quick note on all men’s mountain bikes: All full suspension models now have an Autosag shock from either Fox or Rockshox, and both models work well and provide additional benefits (particularly for the Epic) beyond just ease of setup. Also, The Roval alloy wheels drop 35g to 50g per rim by using a revised internal extrusion shape requiring less material…for the rest of the news on road and MTB wheels, click here.
Lots of pics below, showing the whole bike on the scale so you can see the basic spec and color, plus a few detail photos here and there…
2013 STUMPJUMPER FSR
At top and above is the complete 2013 Stumpjumper FSR collection. The Stumpjumper FSR is now the only full suspension line that includes both 26″ and 29er. No, Specialized has no announced plans to do a 650B bike at this time, something reiterated by several folks across both the mens and womens bike lines.
Changes for 2013: Stumpjumper FSR gets new XO Trail brake on some models, and the S-Works model goes full XTR rather than XX. The only frame change is the new Expert Carbon EVO 29er. It has the same carbon front triangle as the standard Stumpy FSR, but with the original EVO’s alloy rear triangle. No changes to the alloy frames.
Stumpjumper FSR S-Works 29er – 25lbs 15oz
Stumpjumper FSR S-Works 26″ – 25lbs 2oz
Stumpjumper FSR Expert EVO carbon 29er – 28lbs 8oz
Stumpjumper FSR Comp EVO alloy 29er – 29lbs 10oz
Stumpjumper FSR Expert EVO carbon 26″ – 27lbs 4oz
Stumpjumper FSR Comp EVO alloy 26″ – 28lbs 10oz
Stumpjumper FSR Comp alloy 26″ – 27lbs 15oz
Stumpjumper FSR Comp alloy 29er – 29lbs 10oz
Stumpjumper FSR Carbon 29er frame – 5lbs 15oz. This is with shock, ISCG tab, rear thru axle, seat collar and BRAIN.
…and some detail shots of the EVO models for good measure:
2013 EPIC
Epic Changes for 2013: All Epic bikes get the new Rockshox Solo Air forks and Autosag shocks. Joe Buckley, MTB Product Manager, says the Autosag shocks help the BRAIN platform system feel much better. When we rode the Epics two years ago, there was a noticeable-if-slight harshness to the first bump, generally with an audible “knock” as the system began working. Before, the two air chambers in BRAIN shocks did not have the check valve that all normal Fox and Rockshox shocks have, so there was no way to change the negative from factory settings. This meant a one-size-fits-all (but likely not ideal for most) setting.
With the Autosag shocks, there’s a check valve to both set sag and equalize the positive and negative pressure, just like in a Solo Air fork. With both air chambers equalized during set up and constantly balanced while riding, Buckley says suspension works better and smoother than before. Technically, this affects any bike with Autosag, but the Epic sees the most noticeable improvement in feel because it didn’t have Autosag before. All Epics now have XTR or Magura brakes, no more Avid brakes in the model range.
The new Marathon Epic bridges the gap between S-Works and Expert. It drops 200g from Expert frame by using a carbon seatstay, but keeps the alloy chainstays. It gets the new Control SL carbon wheelset, one of only two non-S-works mountain bikes to get the carbon wheels. The other is the Stumpjumper HT Marathon. It’s also the only XC bike in the line that gets the new Grip Shift.
2013 Epic Marathon – 23lbs 15oz
2013 Epic Comp Alloy – 27lbs 2oz
2013 Epic Comp Carbon – 26lbs 4oz
2013 Epic Expert EVO – 23lbs 12oz
2013 Epic S-Works – 23lbs
2013 Epic Carbon Frame – 2280g
2013 STUMPJUMPER HARDTAILS
The Stumpy HT’s get the same changes (forks, brakes, new alloy Roval wheels depending on model) as the Epics. The new Expert EVO R is a fully rigid offering with 1×10 drivetrain.
Stumpjumper HT Comp Alloy- 24lbs 4oz
Stumpjumper HT S-Works – 20lbs 6oz
Stumpjumper HT EVO – 19lbs 10oz
Stumpjumper HT Singlespeed frame – 1490g – Note the difference in weight between it and the geared version below, all of the additional weight comes from the sliding dropouts:
Stumpjumper HT frame – 1180g
2013 CAMBER
The Cambers, which are now 29er only, are covered in detail here. They’re 110mm travel, which is only 10mm more than the Epics, but have a slacker, more trail-oriented geometry. Buckley says the Epic is for the racer that doesn’t mind a twitchy, quick handling bike, but for general riding, the Camber’s going to feel more capable on a broader range of trails. And, it doesn’t have the BRAIN suspension, so it’ll feel a little more plush.
Camber Comp Carbon – 27lbs 14oz
Camber Pro Carbon – 26lbs 8oz
Camber Comp Alloy 28lbs 5oz
2013 STATUS
The Status 1 is basically the same, but the Status 2 gets the Benny pedals and Descendant cranks and upgrades to a Boxxer from the dual crown Domain.
Status 1 – 37lbs 5oz
Status 2 – 38lbs 11oz
2013 DEMO 8
The Demo 8 Carbon is the big news for this (next) year, and they were covered in detail when they launched earlier this year.
Demo 8 Alloy – 37lbs 13oz
Demo 8 Carbon 1 – 37lbs 5oz
Demo 8 Carbon TE – 35lbs 1oz
Demo 8 Alloy frame – 10lbs 13oz
Demo 8 Carbon frame – 10lbs 1oz
2013 ENDURO
During the formal presentation, all the attention was given to the regular Enduro models with only a passing mention of the longer travel EVO version and the SX-replacing 100mm version aimed at the short course gravity set. The former, shown above in a spy shot found on MTB-News, will be a 180mm travel, slacker version to bridge the gap between the Enduro proper and the Demo 8. The standalone SX will be gone for 2013, replaced by the 100mm Enduro SX. We’re thinking both are set for an official debut at Crankworx Whistler, and we’ll be there to cover it.
Enduro S-Works – 26lbs 5oz
Enduro Expert – 27lbs 14oz
Enduro Comp – 29lbs 9oz
Look for a complete run down of road and women’s bikes later in the week!
Buy the man a beer- that is a lot of reps.
where’s that enduro sx 100mm sled?
S-Works Stumpjumper HT frame 1180g – that frame looks really nice. Amazing weight for a mountain bike frame.
IJBCape that SJ HT seems about 300g heavy by today’s standard. Carbon Demo only looses 12oz over the alloy model?!?! The S-Works Epic is also looking pretty porky these days.
Actually 1180g seems a little disappointing given the price of that frame. The new OPEN bike is under 900g in a Large (and in comparison to the S-Works, I think the Medium was like 850). I just thought that OPEN might start a new weight war for 29er frames.
Almost 1200grams doesn’t seem ground breaking. Now, I don’t know if all the OPEN bikes will be breaking on the ground, but still.
1500g for the SS Stumpy is pretty high. That’s AL territory.
So is the EVO version of the Epic/Stumpy HT a more xc-race oriented model, in the same way that the EVO enduro is a more downhill oriented model? Looks like the Stumpy HT EVO is pretty light and spec’d with Renegades.
Scott Scale HT frames are 899g (26″) and 949g for (29er). Not just light but stiff and some of the best HT geometry out there. Also very hard to get because they are super and not overpriced.
What about the weight on the Epic Expert non-EVO, or did that SKU go away?
Am I assuming these are are all Large frames (sorry if I missed that) as all the Epics have the open gusset?
I wonder how “lightweight” the average buyer will be 🙂
Louis reall? Wow that is crazy under 1000g for a mtb frame. I forgot all about open, isn’t that the ex cervelo dude? So far it’s between that Open frame, the air 9 rdo ad this S-Works for my next mtb frame this fall. Will also check out Scott. I still trust Specialized a lot though.
I think the Camber Expert is missing too Brandon.
what up joe buckley! biceps must be yoked!
S-works Stumpy at 1180g…! designed for the NASCAR crowd I guess.
I’ll take a Scale or a Flash, thanks though….
You have got a global audience.
Don’t you think it’s time to dump your archaic imperial weights in favour of gramms and kilos ?
Where did the Jett models stay ? They are new for 2013 also
The new status 1 colours are gash!! Gona try and get a 2012 one!! Glad there gettin rid of those horizon domains of the 2 tho!!
Horizon domains!! Horrific domains!! Predictive text strikes again!
That HT S-Works Stumpjumper frame is only about 200g heavier than the new Trek 😉
Gary Fisher has been posting pics from a euro show, and his picture of the all new Superfly has the words “800g frame” next to it.
I also really want to see more of the Open bikes.
200g or 300g more for a frame would not make a difference. While climbing to gain 1200m altitude, how many bottles and weight increase would you put in a bike?2 bottles of 750ml!!!that’s a kilo and 1/2!!!!
well after climbing I wouldn’t but concerned to accelerate while descent, at least here, in Brazil.
If you wanna get the scales and cannondales good luck guys!!!
I take the stumpy!!
be concerned about losing weight you fat mc’donalds/bk burgers!!!
Demo 8 Alloy frame – 10lbs 13oz
Demo 8 Carbon frame – 10lbs 1oz
Is it worth it ? I thought it would be more savings.
Whats the frame sizes you weighed? Particularly the 26″ stumpjumper fsr alloy
This is about the most inaccurate way to measure bike weight I’ve ever seen. Put a +/- 1 pound tolerance on these measurements.
is everyone as happy as i am that they dumped avid brakes completely? shimano and magura only? i can breathe a sigh of relief for next year…
What about the Stumpy HT SW with SRAM XX1?
JB you are right on. Not accurate at all.
All – I believe they’re all Large frames for the mountain bikes. As for accuracy, it’s the best we could do on site, and we had them hold it still for a couple seconds before snapping the photo so the scale could settle. We weighed a representation of each model, there are simply too many to weigh every trim level, but tried to get the high end plus something at the base and in the middle.
DS – The carbon Demo 8 frame has other tweaks that upgrade it, including minor geometry changes and adjustable shock placements that affect the ride. Check the full coverage at the link in the post for all the details.
Philippebiker – The women’s Jett and others will be covered in a separate post, as will the road bikes.
The thing to remember about Specialized frames is that they will not compromise durability and their Lifetime Frame Warranty to achieve a featherweight frame. I have had to deal with far more broken frames from other manufacturers that were lighter than the comparable Specialized frame.
Any chance you were able to secure launch dates/availability?
So the 29er stumpy EVO fsr alloy is going to be a comp model instead of last years expert? What level components are going to be offered in? Any idea on cost of that model and the carbon fsr evo model?
Brandon – as always you have to go down to your dealer check this allocation of specific units/sizes and put down your Visa card for deposit on a bike. The choice ones….guessing Marathon / EVOr = after time changes best case.
Or at least that’s how it works here in Charlotte,NC
Consume Consume Consume Consume Consume Consume Consume Consume
Is it me or do the color of these bikes seem boring vs what they have released over the years. I sure hope this is just a preview and not the full lineup of colors.
I can’t believe they are ditching the SX Trail : (
The Evo is prob great but I really like the SX, was hoping to get another one in next year or two when my current one is in need of replacement.
their naming convention is convoluted – comp, carbon, evo, expert, blah blah. confusing and not intuitive at all.
how about changing to good, better, best or regular, grande, venti
Anybody know anything about the 2013 safire? I have the 2012 and I’m curious to see what will be different.
Not impressed at all. I have never been a fan o the big “S”, and judging by their ’13 bike lineup it seems like that is not gonna change anytime soon.
I think people are forgetting the “porky” weights are for 29ers on Stumpy’s and Epics. Epic wasn’t too porky at the Olympics now was it against all those featherweight hardtails on a relatively flat course which was broken up by extremely short techy sections and some sprint type climbs (not miles long). Don’t under estimate losing weight off your own gut now 😉
what size frame was weighed?
Enduro Expert Evo weight would’ve been very nice to see. That is one interesting bike. The fact that it’s got the CCDB Coil at least somewhat counterbalances the fact that it’s a proprietary shock size. Most likely wouldn’t want to swap shocks if they had the CCDB, so it’s one of few Specialized bikes I’d consider.
What a great article, well done!! Great job on the weighing of all those bikes, must have made a bunch of people at the stand edgy, he he!
I’ve ridden and broken both Scott & Raleigh’s sub 950g frames in the last 2 years. Also just cracked a 26″ Scott scale. Really keen to go 29er, looks like the Epic is gonna fit the bill nicely, and hopefully last a bit longer! (It better with the premium price tag it comes with!)
It looks like the difference between the EVO & Expert trim on the Stumpy HT is around half a pound. Epic carbon expert then +- 24lbs 5oz??
Oh, what is the weight difference more or less between a large and small frame, is it even worth checking? Thanks!
1200 g S-works frame??? Pffff.
Ok Scott Scale approaching.
Bye bye Specialized.
I just bought a 2013 stumpjumper comp 29er and it weights almost 25 pounds. I guess the one that he is holding is a least xl because there is 4 pound difference
Well done for posting all this good data! Epic Carbon is in my future….
People moaning that the bikes are too heavy when they should probably look more closely at their own weight. People moaning that he used imperial weights instead of metric but never stopping to ask “what does this guy owe me?” Seriously get out there and contribute to something yourself instead of whining. I love mountain biking and cycling generally but reading all these comments reminds me of why I can’t stand MTB ers. Moaning whining “the world owes me everything” babies.
Will you be publishing 2014 Epic weights soon?
According to “official Advertising” Epic SWorks WC (L size) is 8.9 KG(!?) I believe that out of the box, it should be around 9.2 KG … Maybe 9.3 for Epic XTR
Most interesting >>> the exact weight for the Stumpjumper Expert Carbon HT and S-Works…
Folks at BikeRumor,
could you next time please give the weights in grams/kilograms as well?
We here in Europe love your website but have no clue what US pounds and oz mean.
And it’s a mess with tables and calculator trying to convert (SJ Frame is 4.8kg?! I am lost…)
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Exactly what I was looking for. This gave me all the answers, great job. Thanks!