SRAM Red 22 & Hydraulic Road Brake Details Surfacing

Very nice.

Hey SRAM…. spend your time working on hydraulic shifting…. hydraulic brakes on a road bike has less of a benefit in my opinion… I hydraulic shifting would offer improvements over cable actuated shifting and would be much more durable electronic…. I personally do not want rely on batteries to control the mechanical functions of my bike.

This was posted on VeloNews a few days ago…

Red 22 groupset (new 11-speed)
Shift levers: Red 22 DoubleTap Yaw 2×11 shifters
Front derailleur: Red 22 Yaw Braze on
Rear derailleur: Red 22 Exact Actuation with ceramic bearings
Crank: Red 22 Exogram 53/39 GXP and BB-30 versions with ceramic bearings
Crank: Red 22 Exogram 50/34 GXP and BB-30 versions with ceramic bearings
Crank: Red 22 Exogram Power Meter 53/39 GXP and BB-30 versions with ceramic bearings
Crank: Red 22 Exogram Power Meter 50/34 GXP and BB-30 versions with ceramic bearings
Chain: PC-1190R Hollow Pin Power Chain with Power-lock
Cassette: XG-1190 with Stealth Damper Rings 11/25t, 11/26t, 11/28t versions
Brakes: Red Aero Link carbon and aluminum brake pad versions
Shift levers: Red 22 HRD Hydraulic Road Disc shifter/brake 2 x 11 – rotors separate
Shift levers: Red 22 HRR Hydraulic Road Rim shifter/brake 2 x 11carbon and aluminum brake pad versions
Shift levers: R2C Yaw 2 x 11 shifters – new ergonomic shape

Force 22 groupset (new 11-speed)
Shift levers: Force 22 DoubleTap Yaw 2×11 shifters
Front derailleur: Force 22 Yaw Braze on
Rear derailleur: Force 22 Exact Actuation
Crank: Force 22 carbon 53/39 GXP and BB-30 versions
Crank: Force 22 carbon 50/34 GXP and BB-30 versions
Chain: PC-1170 Hollow Pin Power Chain with Power-lock
Cassette: PG-1170 11/26t version (others to follow)
Brakes: Force dual pivot, carbon and aluminum brake pad versions

Avid disc brake options
DB1: New Budget-Level Hydraulic disc brake
DB3: New Entry-Level performance Hydraulic disc brake
BB7 Road SL: New Finish, Titanium Hardware (already available)
BB7S: New Black anodized Finish, Stainless Hardware
BB7S: Road New Black anodized Finish, Stainless Hardware

Other new products, not in the Force or Red lines
S-902/952 cranksets GXP and BB-30 versions: New chainrings and new graphics, yaw compatible
Shift lever: SL700 HRD Hydraulic Road Disc shifter/brake 2 x 10-speed

1/2 the people on here probably are running shimano. the other 1/2 don’t have the bike or cash to afford this group. go ride.

I love the idea of Connectamajig, but considering performance of SRAM/Avid hydrauli systems so far, I’m so much afraid of its reliability. Let’s hope they’ve learnt their lesson!

What was the point or releasing a new 10 speed group less than a year ago?

Vectorbug – I hear ya man, and I’m used to selling stuff off quick. But I litereally have installed the new Red Quarq last night, and the rest of the entire group is installed and not even ridden. Tis is on my race bike. I still have “old” red on my winter/rain bike.

The old red group was their top teir group for like 4 years without a change. Why would anyone commit to a Sram Red group that will be changing completely every year? LAME. I spent a lot of time trying to decide on a new group, what a waste. Already looking forward to Shimano 9070 though, this dumb news has sealed it.

Sram should provide a new 11 notch ratchet for the 2013 Red rear shifter. That would allow a retrofit to 11sp mechanical without any big purchases or switch to hydraulic.

Come on Sram, I tried to be loyal!

Dale… It really sounds like you just want the latest and greatest and if that is the case just get used to opening you pocket book. Does the 2013 Red do everything SRAM said it would when you purchased it? If so why are you so mad? Do you REALLY need/want the 11 speed? If so why didn’t you go with shimano/campy in the 1st place as they were already offering it. Secondly if you are this obsessed with having the latest, next time do a little research and in regards to when that company typically releases new models and purchases soon as it is released. Making the assumption that a company will not change a product line in x amount of time is your own fault.

That is an electronic group. Based on the date this was probably a spec sheet sent to PM’s at the major brands for their high end 2014 spring intros.

@Dale-

‘I also expect a “latest” group to last more than a year.’ – I’m pretty sure that the Red group that you have will last for more than a year of use. If you bought a top end group so that you could ride it hard, then you have no problem. It’s not like it suddenly became obsolete becasue something new came out. It’ll perform just as well as the day you bought it. And no, not everyone who claims to not need the absolute latest and greatest is a ‘bold liar’. I like nice things and I like riding nice bikes, but some of us have not associated our own self worth with the status of our latest sunday fred road bike purchase, or deluded ourselves into thinking that it makes a difference on the road whether our bikes are rocking generation 33 or generation 34 drivetrains.

Ding bats, stop trying to sound like righteous cycling purists, noone cares. The pros and sponsored ams I know are the biggest gear whores on earth.

The reason I want the latest and greatest is not based on how long it lasts. The fact is that the 2012 is not 11 speed, but it was marketed as the “New” srtam Red. Now there is another “New” Sram Red. If you have been cycling more than 2 years, you would know that groups typically have a longer shelf life.

Electronic shifting, hydraulic brakes, I predict the next bit of marketing wanque will be maglev bearings.

Fred and CXisfun know exactly what they are talking about. I fully agree.

heatwave23 – It’s not the consumer that pays the price for these component manufactures changing things so quickly, its the bike shops and frame manufactures. New 2013 bikes are just hitting the floor and shops have to discount as soon as they arrive because you will get plenty of consumers that want a deal and if they do not get it will wait a couple of months for the new parts. Specialized and Trek are already giving rebates on the 2013 Ultegra bikes because Shimano is pushing 11spd this summer with the Ultegra group. Every other bike company that had SRAM RED bikes last year was forced to discount because SRAM unveiled the new SRAM RED mid season and customers used that as leverage and these same customers will do it again with SRAM 22.

Hey Dave, That sounds like a legitimate issue that I did not think about and I can only hope that the SRAM offers similar rebates to the bike dealers to make things right but I would imagine most customers will welcome the discounted 2013 Red…. Now if that was dales complain… I just bought this group that is only a year old and now it has dropped in price… I would understand that complaint.

Hydros for road cycling? Not until Formula comes out with some road version of the R1s.

G – my original post in this thread was on topic. Now it’s been twisted away feom the point I was trying to make so that you can sound wise. Good job. You’re a grand wizard of frugal cycling and so proud of it.

It still doesn’t change the fact that Sram put out a top tier group that lasted less rhan a year as the top tier group. That does make a difference to some. Had I known this was coming, i would have waited. There are many more who share my view on all the usual forums…

@ Dale – “Had I known this was coming, i would have waited.”

Not to be a d*ck or anything, but just wait, something better is always coming!

I wonder what SRAM will call this group? New New Red? Will that make the current Red, Old New Red? I’m confused.

@Dale- evolution in bicycle gear has never been greater than in the past couple years. Sram is advancing with or without you.

SRAM- excited, been waiting for this hydro set up. Ignore the complainers

Pointless. A lot of mess for very little (if any) improvement. Just because you CAN do something does not mean you should. File under fool and his money.

clearly this is available in stores already. (deleted).

shimano made di2, then changed formats and no one complained. that stuff is ancient history now.

Haha it doesn’t bother me, I just want to make sure my point was clear. I actually like comments sections like this and anonymity because people will say what they honestly think. I have bought a ton of Sram stuff for my road bikes, my mountain bikes, my wife’s bikes… I have been buying and racing bikes since I started racing BMX in 1977. Sram deserves to hear my feedback in the raw. And I am not fazed by any comments regarding my purchasing style and preference. :p

Companies need to hear that from everyone, not just some tools who think they represent the most intelligent bike industry consumer. Or from some industry butt lickers who want to pat the backs of manufacturers in hopes of free product. Who needs that watered down mentality? I actually saw someone on here the other day practically begging – “Ohh gee, let’s use facebook commnets so noone says anything naughty”. Translates to – “Let’s use facebook comments so everyone can see how much of a narcissistic brown nose I am.” Yay.

Manufacturers and shops need to hear the real deal form all types of consumers! Letting them stay anonymous here and for people to say what they feel is awesome. Go bikerumor!

Mark, maby the extra space going electronic is used for the battery and to get rid of those external boxes etc.? That could be the next evolution in electronic shifting.

I guess we will know soon enough what the real deal with SRAM “22” is all about.

I hope SRAM kept some backwards compatibility with their latest Red stuff, maybe you won’t need a new crankset, maybe the rear mech will work. That would piss people off a little bit less.

Other thing to consider is that SRAM was forced to wait for Shimano 11 to come out first, they pretty much own this industry and Sram has to play it smart if they want to keep their 11 speed stuff compatible with Shimano’s 11, like the soon to be good old days of 10 speed mixed shimano-sram drivetrains.

I’m much more interested in what they will offer with Force 22 to be honest, I’m curious if they will keep the look of the older 2010-11 red or make it closer to Red 2013.