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2015 Loaded Precision X40 wide hookless carbon fiber mountain bike wheels

Loaded Precision likes to put out lighter weight parts for any category it’s in, and the new X40 wheels for enduro/trail/gravity do the same.

The 27.5″ carbon rims are all new and come in at just 430g each, which is impressive considering they’re a whopping 40mm wide. The complete wheelset weight is a claimed 1,650g. That’s with X-lite V.3 hubs, laced with 32 spokes and thru axles.

Why so wide? And why hookless?

2015 Loaded Precision X40 wide hookless carbon fiber mountain bike wheels

Loaded’s Michael Mulder says the idea was to reduce the likelihood of pinching the sidewalls since the width reduces the inward curvature of the tire enough, but not so much that it squares off the tread section. That said, you could run a 2.3 on it, and it’d make that tire feel more like a 2.5, but it’s really designed for 2.5-2.7 tire widths or more. It’s a good thing forks are about to get wider!

As for going hookless, it was to ease installation and removal of wire bead tires, something many gravity riders are still using. “We’d recommend people ride normal, folding bead tires. But for tires like the Maxxis High Roller II with a wire bead and super stiff sidewall, people were breaking their carbon rim sidewalls trying to pry them on.

“With the hookless design, we don’t use our TBT (True Bead Technology), which refers to our bead hook channel that locks the bead into place,” said Mulder. “So, they’re tubeless ready, just add tape and sealant, whether you’re running folding or wire bead tires.”

2015 Loaded Precision X40 wide hookless carbon fiber mountain bike wheels

The cross section above shows what they’ve been testing, but production rims will actually be about 420g and won’t have the bead channel on either side. Mulder told us they “decided to add the extra ~35g to be extra sure people will have something durable. We have been testing the 380g rims with no issues, but safety and durability is our #1 concern.”

The complete wheels will be built with their newer Xlite v.3 hubs, which have a 6-pawl dual actuating system and swappable end caps to work with either thru axle or QR. The wheelset weight target is 1650g, which would make it lighter than their AM-X carbon wheels by about 30g or more, depending on configuration. Look for them in February at about $599 for the rim and $1,599 for the wheelset with AM-X front hub and X-Lite V.3 rear hub, but they can also be built up with any of their hubs and configurations.

It’ll also be available in a 29er size, with a claimed weight of 440g (+/-15g).

Not shown, they’re also introducing a custom graphics program that lets you pick any Pantone color and get the decals matched, making it easier to have them coordinated with you bike, team kit or shop colors. It’ll run about $40 per wheelset.

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MissedThePoint
MissedThePoint
9 years ago

Not believing any of these myths until I see the scientific test data, such as wide hookless rims…

– reduce the likelihood of pinching the sidewalls (high on BS meter)
– make [that 2.3 tire] feel more like a 2.5 (high on BS meter)
– ease installation and removal of wire bead tires (maybe if you made the center channel a little deeper…)

“people were breaking their carbon rim sidewalls trying to pry [wire bead HR2s] on”
– Pics or it didn’t happen

“decided to add the extra ~35g to be extra sure people will have something durable. We have been testing the 380g rims with no issues, but safety and durability is our #1 concern”
– Translation – didn’t bother to do comprehensive testing…

J
J
9 years ago

I’ve seen that rim profile somewhere before…

craigsj
craigsj
9 years ago

Yeah, J, you saw it on the Nextie site where Loaded lifted it. Loaded isn’t providing any value here, just special decals on off-brand hubs that you can’t get serviced.

Wonder what 2.5-27″ 650b tires these rims were “designed” for and how would Loaded know considering they didn’t design them?

Hookless isn’t to make tire mounting easier, it’s to make the rim sidewalls stronger. Michael Mulder has no idea what he’s talking about.

blarfblarf1
blarfblarf1
9 years ago

Missedthepoint seems right on the money.
Now then again even roval carbon hookless are cheaper and at a reasonable width too, with dt hubs… No brainer.

abc
abc
9 years ago

“Why so wide?”

– Because Syntace Wide (40mm) W40MX rims are a hell of a good product, so we just copied it

And why hookless?

– Because building a carbon rim with hooks is a PITA (takes more time, requires more control etc. pretty much like adding thread to the BB of a carbon fiber frame), so we just removed them as it seems to work. Then we market this lazy ass move with some dull argument, and we are good to go.

By the way, did you know that 650b has more traction over 26in and that the upcoming 110mm front axle standard is stiffer than the current 100mm according to our Mickey Mouse calculations?

Have a nice day.
THe Bike Industry

Pyros
Pyros
9 years ago

Rolling on some 33mm Bontranger rims with my Trek Slashy 9.8. Wide as helllll and wouldn’t go back to that XC crap. Hoping to go even wider soon. Once you Fred’s are allowed to ditch the 29er rigid belt drive dingle speeds you’ll see what the hype is all about.

LawyerKnowItAll
LawyerKnowItAll
9 years ago

The wide rim really does make a difference. It changes the shape of the tire. On my road bike, my 25mm tires that measures 24mm measures 27mm simply by a wider rim. This isn’t mythical story telling, its geometry. Anyone who has ridden or seen both will tell you that.

@missedthepoint – you sure did

craigsj
craigsj
9 years ago

“On my road bike, my 25mm tires that measures 24mm measures 27mm simply by a wider rim.”

Road and MTB tires are very different but they share one thing in common, neither gets taller when a wider rims cause them to measure wider. A tire doesn’t get bigger just because the rim does.

I think MissedThePoint didn’t miss any points.

Sevo
Sevo
9 years ago

Once you ride a wide rim you’ll wonder why you ever bothered with road rims rolled down to mtb sizes. 30mm wide rims seem narrow once you’ve tried 35-45mm wide rims.

Only thing worse than bike industry marketing bs is the forum (deleted) who don’t ride who make even more BS comments as to why a product will suck before they even try it. Course, most said forum (deleted) don’t know their history either.

Example: Hubs
Look at the history of hubs and true innovators with real engineering skills who made them. WTB and Manitou are great examples of companies that did the math and offered wider spaced hubs than traditionally offered (traditional being 100mm front/135mm rear). WTB offered for years 136mm and 140mm hubs. Manitou (original, made in Colorado Springs) used a 145 rear hub and 115 front hub. Knowing people who owned these, these wheels lasted far better than anything else offered at the time. Strength primarily derived from the width.

Tires/Rims:
This is easy. Look at old beach cruisers to really anything else with tires/rims. Rims are always just about as wide as the tire or damn close. Bicycles are the only wheeled machine that use tiny rims and big a** tires. For those that question the science, I advise to you pick up MIT’s Bicycle Science book on Amazon. Warning: it’ll likely fry most naysayers brains. Hence why marketing departments dumb down descriptions for you. 😉

Fast forward to today, yeah we can finally open our brains up to how things should be. We’ve only been on discs and full suspension for 1/3 of the history of mountain bikes. Tires only went larger than 2.2 around 10 years ago….now we 3 different wheel sizes and plus versions of all 3 plus fat bikes.

It’s only shows ones lack of skill acquisition by ignorantly chiming in cry of “marketing BS” when a new, well thought out option comes to market. Take a brief read of the Dreyfus Model of Skill Acquisition sometime (FYI the Wikipedia description should suffice for those who’s brain melts 5 pages into the 83 page study…which btw has never been questioned in 30 years because it’s that awesome) and you’ll see why the direction of a fast growing industry shouldn’t be decided by novice/beginner level forum junkies who in the end won’t pay full price for anything anyway nor ride enough for their opinion to matter.

Just a thought 🙂

bc
bc
9 years ago

I’d like to try these, but will probably go with the Ibis 741 version, which seems largely the same, but cheaper. probably spring for ibis’s dt swiss rear hub upgrade option too.

Mr. P
9 years ago

I love how the commenters commenting on the company not knowing what they are talking about…. don’t know what they are talking about. lol.

Yes, wider reduces pinchflats.
Yes, wider increases the volume of the tire.
Yes, companies over engineer their products as there is always someone that will ride outside of spec.
And no, we do not need the top bead “hook”, that was for when tire bead diameters were much less consistent.
And yes, Loaded rebrand a lot of components.

P

Antipodean_G
9 years ago

Have to agree with Mr P.. and I aint even ridden wider rims as of yet.

Wider will decrease pinch flats, because a pinch flat happens when the ‘ballooned’ tyre bites into the rim. Lessen or eliminate the ‘balloon’ (ie make the rim wider) lessen or eliminate the pinch flat probability.

Wider will increase the volume, that’s pretty basic geometry ie. if you want to think of a tyre having 4 sides (daft I know), making the bottom wider does increase the internal volume by an amount. It could be an academic amount but it will be more than before.

Yep, companies all over engineer everything for those ‘J.R.A’ consumers out there. You’d be shocked at how over engineered CEN testing makes frames.

And yep, we don’t need bead hooks anymore.

Jose
Jose
9 years ago

Depends on how wide. 35mm inner creates other problems and does not necessarily reduce pinching say if comparing to a 28-30mm inner wide rim. The other problems being that rim rock contact from the side is increased and pinching from the side also. Once a rim is at 28mm inner increased tire stability is not realized as much. I think 35mm is a bit overkill.

Mindless
Mindless
9 years ago

Beads on my tires had been designed to work with a properly shaped rim. This hack, solely designed to reduce carbon manufacturing expense, losing the tire wring, It may work, but nobody should trust his life to that.

duzzi
duzzi
9 years ago

Now we need 40 mm rims to be able to run 2.5 tires on forks that “fortunately will go wider” (and hopefully even more expensive). Apparently it does not matter that literally everybody is using 23 mm rims in the world cup downhill circuit. No … wider is better according to whom who knows.

The absurdity of MTB marketing is going through the roof. I really hope that people stop being taken for a ride but absurd “innovations” and that the market crashes.

Eric.NM
Eric.NM
9 years ago

@Sevo: Boom! +10
: )

Antipodean_G
9 years ago

@duzzi “The absurdity of MTB marketing is going through the roof. I really hope that people stop being taken for a ride but absurd “innovations” and that the market crashes.”

Could not agree more. But when I think this, I then read something from some guy saying that he only wants the latest and greatest and last year’s is not good enough. As much as this mentality is total tosh, there seems to be plenty of folk that lap it up.

As far as the ‘new wide’ rims go, other than academic discussions (as per my previous post) I myself hold little interest. What I have seems to work plenty fine without any issues, so unless I am in dire need to replace them, glazing over this stuff is the best way to retain one’s sanity!

alex
alex
9 years ago

Anyone who has ridden wider rims on a downhill bike knows that they perform better in most situations. The only problem with wider rims is the weight penalty and of course the high cost of carbon rims. If you shave your legs and ride with your seatpost jacked up on the downhills, you probably don’t need these.

cyclingengr
cyclingengr
9 years ago

I will agree with the wider is better. I bought a set of velocity blunt 35’s last year and love how much better my tires ride and how I can reduce the pressure a bit for even more traction. If you don’t believe the wider is better, try an set of velocity’s for a fraction of the cost of these. Yes, they weigh more, but I’m cheap and can live with a few extra ounces per wheel.

TheFunkyMonkey
TheFunkyMonkey
9 years ago

For those that don’t feel like reading the article or all of the comments, please allow me to give you the Cliff’s Notes version:

1. Chinese carbon rims are legit
2. Legit enough known name brands are ripping them off or just rebranding them
3. Known brands have realized that there is a huge market for carbon wheelsets below $2K – and high profit margins on rebranding Chinese models especially with no name hubs
4. Loaded Precision does not know about the features in their carbon wheels – please contact Nextie directly for any questions

So let me get this straight… I can pay Loaded Precision $1600 for the set or $599 a rim. Or I can order the same (or very similar) rim sent to my door in the US for approx. $205/ea. and then have my local wheelbuilder lace them to Hope Pro2s orDT 350s for less than $1K for the set. Yes, it all makes sense…

AC
AC
9 years ago

There IS value added in having someone else deal with the Chinese companies and providing a layer of QC and warranty service. That value isn’t 4 x the price direct from China though, IMO.

Needs to under 2 x to make sense to me. Derby’s are just a touch high, these are ridiculous.

a
a
9 years ago

@TheFunkyMonkey you can even have the wheels laced by the chinese to whatever hub – if they dont have it, they generally let you send them and will lace that at no extra cost, then send it to your done.
And they do it properly, too!

But then again, the rovals have better warranty without being much more expensive… 1200 USD for 1580gr, 29er dt swiss hubs, 27mm wide rim.. unless you’re really set on 40mm wide these are hard to beat. (but if you are, the chinese rims are the way to go).

TheFunkyMonkey
TheFunkyMonkey
9 years ago

@AC – agree with everything you said 100%.

@a – yes, I know you can get completes from China – I failed to mention that in my post above. At least they give you hub options these days.

And yes, Rovals are a good value and good quality. The brand and not being able to remove rim decals may turn some off. I currently have a set of Rovals and they are solid wheels. I will likely do something different for my next build…

ShopMechanic
ShopMechanic
9 years ago

I pinched an armored tire on a 40mm carbon rim but have yet to do it on my Roval Fatties with lighter tires. YMMV, but the whole super wide rims prevent pinch flats didn’t work for me.

Von Kruiser
Von Kruiser
9 years ago

Here is something which blew my mind. On my rigid (Ft & R) 27″ wheel bike I could turn a certain radius at a given speed with the original x narrow rim. Mind that I’m turning as aggressive as possible on pavement to see how sharp I could turn. Eventually I got wider 40mm OD carbon rims. It was amazing how much tighter the turning radius became. With the wider rim, the sidewalls become shorter/ stiffer and did not cantilever like the narrow rim did. Also I’m loving the lower pressure for a smoother ride without rim smack… critical with a rigid fork. Both my mtb bikes now have 35 or 40mm wide OD rims.

Jshort
Jshort
9 years ago

I’ve been on the ibis wheels are you should all believe the hype

Itsik
Itsik
7 years ago

I did experience durability issues on 2 of my X40 rims.
On the first rim, after 10 months of use, the rim shoulders detached from the rim.
I had this one replaced under warranty.
The new rim that arrived had the same problem, after 10 months of use, the shoulders are coming apart from the rim body.
I am still waiting for the replacement rim (3 weeks had passed so far….).

My experience was not that good with the X40’s.
I lost a lot of cycling time.

Defiantly will not recommend the rims.

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