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Sneak Peek: Revolutionary Carbon Tubeless Rims from Alchemist

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Tubeless rims have almost always been a compromise. On one hand, you can run a sealed rim bed without the need for rim tape as long as you’re ok with using proprietary spokes, nipples, or complicated attachment methods to the rim or hub. On the other, you can choose to go the simple way and use a pierced rim bed that is easily sealed with tape and sealant. The later method adds a bit of weight and also makes spoke repairs more frustrating when you have to peel back the layers of the onion to get to the offending spoke.

Apparently not a fan of compromise, Alchemist sent us a few teasers of their all new X-Sens rims. Judging by the photos, these are not your average tubeless carbon rims in almost every way…

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Clearly, the key to the design of the X-Sens is the X or somewhat I-Beam like shape that allows for the nipples to be anchored on the outside of the rim channel completely. This would effectively accomplish multiple things – a completely sealed spoke bed with the potential for running UST tires without sealant, or Tubeless Ready tires with sealant, simple spoke/nipple replacement in the event of a failure, and a much wider anchor point for the spokes at the rim which seems like it would make for a stiffer wheel. Not to mention it looks like you could technically build this rim to a standard flanged hub with run of the mill J-bend spokes.

Still in the pre-production phase, it looks as if the rim will include external reinforcements at the spoke anchor points which would alternate from left to right. The hookless rim measures in at 32.04mm wide which is plenty wide for most of the current tires on the market. Details at this point are still quite limited, but Alchemist tells us there will be a complete family of X-Sens rims and they will be full carbon. More when we have it!

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Tim
Tim
8 years ago

Now thats a pretty good idea. Hope it takes off and is affordable

James S
James S
8 years ago

Kind of similar to what BMW does on their tubeless spoked rims for the GS series motorcycles. I’ve been wondering when someone would do this, but I was thinking they’d put the nipples up by the side of the rim closer to the tire bead. Looks like this design might trap a lot of mud…

Dan
Dan
8 years ago

want.

Those sections seem like mud traps though. good thing i live in the SW.

FoolCyclist
FoolCyclist
8 years ago

I like the thinking outside the box here. With the use of carbon we should be able to move away from traditional designs. I have always wondered why carbon bikes mirror the shape of metal tubed bikes. We need more people doing things like this.

MissedThePoint
MissedThePoint
8 years ago

Doubt there’s enough clearance for nipple driving tools.

pdxfixed
pdxfixed
8 years ago

I like this solely for the fact that I don’t have to worry about water and gunk getting into the rim cavity.

Sam
Sam
8 years ago

I’m hesitant to agree with the increased wheel stiffness hypothesis.

Boost specifications allow increased stiffness because you increase the angle of your spokes, by moving hub spoke location outboard. Here the rim spoke location moves outboard, thereby decreasing the spoke angle. I’m not sure if this thinking is valid, but I figured I would bring it up.

Heffe
Heffe
8 years ago

Love it!

Gunnstein
Gunnstein
8 years ago

Sam, I was thinking the same. Though it would increase stiffness if you cross-spoke it – left side on rim to right side on hub and vice versa. Maybe that’s the intention.

craigsj
craigsj
8 years ago

It’s so hard to keep track of all the revolutions in wheel technology considering how that word is thrown around so easily on this site. I thought the future was no box sections in rims?

This solves a problem that doesn’t need solving. Using rim tape to seal the bed isn’t a “compromise”, its trivial.

JasonK
JasonK
8 years ago

Sam, this wheel would indeed be more flexible if laced as you describe. But if you cross the spokes over the center of the wheel (left-hand nipples thread into spokes connected to the right-hand flange) then you get a wheel with more lateral stiffness using a 100 mm hub than a boost wheel with a 110 mm hub and conventional lacing.

This spokes-cross-the-centerline concept is what James S was alluding to…BMW laces some of their dual-purpose motorcycle wheels this way. Shimano also implemented this lacing pattern on their old wh-7701 wheels from the late ’90s.

I agree with those concerned about the built-in mud shelves. There are better ways to do this. And if the Alchemist people think these should be laced conventionally, that raises some troubling questions about their grasp of statics.

But the non-mention of centerline-crossing spokes could just as easily be a Bike Rumor oversight, so I’ll withhold judgement until more details come to light.

Veganpotter
Veganpotter
8 years ago

I think this would be a great idea if spokes broke often but they don’t on a decent wheelset. I’d have to break a couple spokes a year to motivate me do buy this rim. My guess is that these will be so pricey that you’d be better off getting a normal rim(even with proprietary spokes) and voluntarily paying double for the service to put in new nipples and spokes. I can also see these wheels holding A LOT of crud.

Slow Joe Crow
Slow Joe Crow
8 years ago

@JamesS, my thought exactly, which leads to the question of whether the it would be possible to make a bicycle sized version of the Akront aluminum rims BMW uses. This would probably be cheaper and provide better spoke nipple access.

Scentofreason
Scentofreason
8 years ago

I would be less concerned with collecting mud, than with the addition of lots of extra weight. While this design ‘solves’ a lot of issues vs. installing rim tape et al – rim tape et al works pretty darn good and doesn’t have enough issues to warrant adding a few hundred grams at the rim. But if this rim cimes in very close to standard, color me interested…

von.kruiser
von.kruiser
8 years ago

Too heavy for the high price. There are plenty of strong wheels which will be much lighter and cheaper. What’s wrong w/ tape? Creates more issues then it solves.

Callum
Callum
8 years ago

Well it’s better than trying to true an enve rim I guess. But then where can I put my audacious wheel decals…

mudrock
mudrock
8 years ago

I guess this is a prototype, but they could trim a lot of material from that mold.

muf
muf
8 years ago

it looks like decreased strength of the rim, increased weight vs rim without sealant/tape (but probably slightly light than with sealant/tape).

given how often spokes break, i dont really mind tape and sealant. Also, sealant is not just there for “tubeless ready” tires.

My non-tubeless tires with tape and no sealant seal perfectly thank-you-very-much (not all combinations do, granted).

The sealant however saves your ass from all the small cuts that inevitably happen. And just for that, i’d always want sealant.

CXisfun
CXisfun
8 years ago

@von.kruiser: what is the weight and price?

Kevin k
Kevin k
8 years ago

I have mavic and red metal rims with no holes the rim. Ok the mavic rim needs special spokes and nipples but the red metal uses standard parts, just need a magnet to fit nipples. Both are so much nicer than dealing with tape.

xc-fr
xc-fr
8 years ago

a tl rimstrip comes at 6-8g per wheel and is foolproof. how much additional weight compared to common box design, for that rim?
more stiffness ? who needs that. common carbon rims are very stiff, some are too stiff (e.g. reynolds – the bikes bounces around with too stiff wheels)
OK, the design is something new, but the rest seems to be a solution for a problem which doesn’t exist (the same with boost148 / 110).

Mario Meggiolan
8 years ago

Fibre work straight..so much edge..mud problem..
fulcrum that use Merida tesm are the best

Segg
Segg
8 years ago

That’s a lot of hassle just to get rid of the rim tape. I think Mavic or even Crankbrothers solved this issue much better.

von.kruiser
von.kruiser
8 years ago

CXisfun – You will have to ask the owners of the brand. Not sure why you would ask me. However if you look at the design, there is extra material. Extra material weighs more. Extra material costs more. Complicated molds cost more. Just an observation of basic costing and material and mark up.

Eric E. Strava
Eric E. Strava
8 years ago

@xc-fr excellent points. There is a point of diminishing returns (and eventually decreased performance) with overly stiff wheels. The same goes for wide rims, for normal tires at least.

Tim
Tim
8 years ago

@Sam- That was my first thought, too. Spoke bracing angle gets flatter, wheel gets flexier laterally.

CXisfun
CXisfun
8 years ago

@von.kruiser: I asked you because you said “too heavy for the high price”. If you don’t know the weight or the price, how in the world can you come to that conclusion?

Flashing forward to your next statement, extra material doesn’t necessarily weigh more, it’s entirely possible they used a different resin or carbon to build the rim. The next point: extra material costs more. Again, not a great assumption to make. Look at the Cervelo RCa for instance. It’s price is astronomical but uses far less material than a Planet X TT bike. RCa, less material, costs more.

Apples to apples, look at other carbon rims. ENVE SES 3.4 vs 8.9. More material in the 8.9, weighs more, costs the same. Compare the 4.5 to the 45 classic. Very close to the same amount of material but different weights and prices.

If you’re going to speculate, at least have a LITTLE bit of factual information before coming to a conclusion.

Cryogenii
Cryogenii
8 years ago

Aerodynamic drag?

Kernel Flickitov
Kernel Flickitov
8 years ago

I see the peanut gallery has been whipped into full frenzy once again. Hey, let me show you this rim prototype, cutaway, or tech drawing of a part that isn’t even on the market yet and all of a sudden everybody is an expert on whether it works or not, performance, weight and price. Where you cats come up with this stuff is amazing feat in itself.

von.kruiser
von.kruiser
8 years ago

CXisfun – Your analogies are funny. Tell you what, you’re right for now since weights and prices are not published yet. No way to know exactly right? Never said how much weight or cost it would be but just stating the obvious that it would be more. However, when it hits the market, you can eat your crow in silence. Manufacturing principals are all the same, if it costs more to manufacture and you want to make money you charge more. Yes some products have less material and costs more due to efficient design, testing, molds of new designs. Other rims are off the shelf and molds are paid for so costs to produce go down. This mold is new, heavy because of more material and all these costs need to amortized till the molds are paid for… unit costs go up till molds and designs are paid off. I have no idea if it’s stiff, etc… just know it will be expensive and weigh more then a conventional design. Actually crow might taste good if properly cooked.

bbb
bbb
8 years ago

Do people really break spokes on a weekly or monthly basis?

When it happens though, all it takes to replace a spoke is to make a tiny slit in a tape and then patch it after.

CXisfun
CXisfun
8 years ago

@von.cruiser: those are a lot of words to say “yeah, I had absolutely no factual basis for my statement.”

Look, I’m not saying these rims will be light or heavy, expensive or cheap. Because, well, we don’t know. I feel pretty confident I won’t be buying them, so I’ve got no dog in the fight.

But to say “too heavy for the high price” without having any idea of weight or price is just silly.

Lars
Lars
8 years ago

I’d love to see these in 100mm or 80mm fat bike widths.

Crushin-it
Crushin-it
8 years ago

MUD. Nuff’ said.

ALCHEMIST
8 years ago

hello, guys!!!
I’m alchemist the father of this rims..Currently i can not reveal everything secret of this rima but some things I can tell you:
1 the price will be less than our traditional rims !!! This is possible because we have invest more in technology and this products is produced with a new tecnology (our patent).
2 the weight will be more hight respect an our rims but, if the weight of our RR rim for cross country is 345gr. this will be 390!!! We think that is a good weight for a rim for XC with this plus.
2 about the problem of the mud, we made some test with the first two version and we had not find a big problem,
3 the assembling, is made by crossing the spoken: one on the right goes on the left side of the hub flange.

4 we will present the new wheels in EUROBIKE and, with our distributor in INTERBIKE.

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