The new ultra-short Discord Creemee & updated Discord w(Right) stems just may be the perfect solution to getting a more comfortable, upright, and stable position on your dropbar gravel & adventure bike. As modern enduro, then trail, then XC, and now gravel & adventure bikes have all adopted longer reach, slacker geometry & short stems, VT off-the-grid bike shop Analog Cycles and their Discord Components brand have developed a range of ultra short threadless & quill stems to dial in better fit for your move to off-road drop bar riding. And the stems are all entirely made in the USA.

Discord Creemee 0mm offset aluminum adventure bike stems

Analog Cycles Discord Creemee 0mm offset CNC machined alloy mountain bike gravel bike adventure bike stems, made in the US

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Analog Cycles debuted their ultra-short 0mm wRight steel quill stems two years ago, and now are back with a more modern CNC-machined alloy version (plus an update to the wRights too.) The idea from the start was that many off-road dropbar riders simply had their bars too far forward. And surprise, bringing the bar back didn’t result in sketchy handling, so they started cranking out more & more stems.

Anyone who knows Analog, knows that they can wax poetic all day long about pretty much anything bike tech related (…something, something pot calling the kettle black.) And while they aren’t really into electronic shifting, automatically actuated full-suspension bikes, or even carbon fiber for the most part, they do know a thing or two about riding bikes in the woods and having a good time doing it. While the off-the-grid bike shop concept might suggest a bit of their underlying retro-grouch, Analog digs modern technology too, and were pretty excited to be able to develop & manufacture this CNC-machined 6061 aluminum Creemee stem with Swift Designwork in NJ.

Analog Cycles Discord Creemee 0mm offset CNC machined alloy mountain bike gravel bike adventure bike stems, made in the US

The upright stem takes its name from a Vermont delicacy… actually it’s just a soft-serve ice cream that Analog says is best tall, vanilla/maple twist & covered with rainbow sprinkles, hence their photos. What you get is a no-offset stem that bolts a modern 31.8mm dropbar onto a standard 1 1/8″ steerer tube in a comfortable upright position.

Analog Cycles Discord Creemee 0mm offset CNC machined alloy mountain bike gravel bike adventure bike stems, made in the US

One other good thing that also does is let smaller riders pick a frame with longer reach while maintaining a good position on the bike, but without having to resort to compromised geometry with wacky headtube angles, fork offset, or massive toe overlap.

Analog Cycles Discord Creemee 0mm offset CNC machined alloy mountain bike gravel bike adventure bike stems, made in the US

Analog calls the machined alloy Discord Creemee stem lightweight & tough. When I pressed on how much it weighed, they said “don’t ask… my scale is broken”. Elaborating on toughness, they were clear that it is a “normal mountain bike stem” meant to be ridden on and off-road on road, gravel, adventure & touring bikes. It is not a gravity bike stem. “Gnar is fine but no sendy gnar gnar.”

Analog Cycles Discord Creemee 0mm offset CNC machined alloy mountain bike gravel bike adventure bike stems, made in the US

The $165 Discord Creemee has 0mm of offset, 80mm of stack height, 52mm of 1.125″ diameter steerer tube insertion (no carbon steerers according to Analog) and a 4-bolt removable faceplate for 31.8mm bars. All hardware is US-made stainless steel, and the 6061 alloy stems are available in anodized silver or black. While no other sizes are available now, we have seen that Swift has been prototyping ones with a bit of offset and similar stack that will likely be added in the future.

Discord w(Right) updated 0 & 30mm offset steel quill adventure bike stems

Analog Cycles Discord wRight 0mm offset mountain bike gravel bike adventure bike stems

As for the revised steel Discord wRight quill stems, they are still made of 4130 chromoly steel, brazed in Massachusetts by Alex Meade Bikeworks and mount with a 225mm long Nitto quill & wedge. But now they too, get updated with a 4-bolt removable faceplate for 31.8mm bars.

Analog Cycles Discord wRight 0mm offset mountain bike gravel bike adventure bike stems

The $195 Discord w(Right) stems are available in either 0mm or 30mm offset, and are offered in standard clear gloss or semi-gloss black ceramic coating finishes, or even Analog’s custom cerakote colors by special order.

Coming Soon: Discord Fingerling 50 & 70mm steel quill stems

Analog Cycles Discord Fingerling wRight low offset mountain bike gravel bike adventure bike stems

Coming soon: 50mm and 70mm Discord Fingerling Stems also made with the same shit as above. About 2 months out.” I couldn’t resist quoting that PR-speak. The gist is there, the upcoming Fingerling will add the possibility for a bit more offset for those still working with modernizing their threaded steerer tube adventuring bikes, but not quite ready to go zero-offset.

Analog Cycles Discord Creemee 0mm offset CNC machined alloy mountain bike gravel bike adventure bike stems, made in the US

Want to read more about Analog’s revolutionary way of thinking, want to help ‘subvert the paradigm, or just need to burn a few hours in corona-induced lockdown? Head over to the Analog Cycles website and dig in. You can either head to their True Facts section or dive into the Musings and Rambles of their journal. Or just support a local independent bike shop…

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12 comments

  1. paulpalf on

    Could also be useful if you wanted to put drop bars on a hardtail MTB frame that otherwise bee too long.
    Aesthetically challenging though!

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  2. analogcycles on

    @blahblah1233445, 0mm stems for drop bars are not a new idea, and it’s not twitchy at all. It’s an idea that dates to the 1890’s. I’d suggest drawing the overhead view of a drop bar and stem, and then drawing a line connecting the place where your hands are at the ends of the drops to the center of the headset bolt. It’s basically a 0mm stem. The bike doesn’t know all of that other stuff is sticking out in front, all of that stuff is too stiff. From a leverage point of view, the bike is handling as if there is a 0mm stem. Or close to it. The short stem / twitchy handling thing is a myth, but it’s just that, a myth.

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    • cyclingabout on

      Definitely not as crazy as it sounds! I’ve run the displacement numbers on three different handlebars (to the centre point of your hand) to see how it’d change the ‘twitchiness’ of a bike.

      1. Turn a Ritchey Venturemax 44cm drop bar 20 degrees, your hands will move: 8.1cm with a 0mm stem, 8.8cm with a 50mm stem (~8% less twitchy) and 9.8cm with a 100mm stem (~17% less twitchy).

      2. To turn a Ritchey Venturemax XL drop bar 20 degrees, your hands will move: 9.4cm with a 0mm stem, 10cm with a 50mm stem (~6% less twitchy) and 10.9cm with a 100mm stem (~14% less twitchy).

      3. Turn a Ritchey Comp 710mm flat bar 20 degrees, your hands will move: 10.09cm with a 0mm stem, 10.14cm with a 50mm stem (less than 1% less twitchy) and 10.47cm with a 100mm stem (~3% less twitchy).

      Conclusion? In all likelihood, you’ll probably not notice with a flat bar, but you will notice a small change if you are switching from a 100mm-to-0mm stem with drop bars (most extreme case).

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      • Ben Ripley on

        If your using a MTB bar, using a 0mm stem will cause the bars will swing behind the axis, and have a negative effect on steering. Which is why for anyone that rides with bars rolled back 35mm stems have a negative effect on the speed of handling. For example I have a 50mm stem and if I draw a line from the centre of my grip to the centre of the other grip it intersects the top cap bolt, so putting 0mm stem would push the contract points back 50mm behind the axis.

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        • David Collins on

          I’m intrigued bout all of this – as well as a cyclist I’m also a biker. One of my bikes is a BMW R1200GSA – a very tall bike capable of just shy of 150mph. The grips are about 2″ (50mm) behind the steering axis and I don’t get twitch at all. My old dirt bike had bars even higher and further back for standing up on the pegs – same, 90mph on the dirt – no twitch. not even going to mention my Harley!

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    • Cory Benson on

      @OUtlaw, you’ll find it on Analog’s site… it’s a Nitto Mark’s Rack, available in a few Cerakote colors unique to them.

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