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IB14: Guru Pushes Photon HL to 650 Grams, Adds Disc Brake Version – Plus Updated Titanium Frames & More!

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Already one of the lightest road bike frames out there, Guru’s Photon HL sheds another 20g by reworking just a single tube, and that’s with the addition of a tapered head tube!

Until now, they could claim the HL as a sub 670g frame. Now? Sub 650g, and that’s with paint and hardware. We even put one on the scale to confirm. To shed the grams, they completely re-engineered how they make the seat tube. Before, they would make the seat tube then glue in the insert to hold the seatpost. The insert served two purposes, to create the appropriate inside diameter and to reinforce the seat tube so the seatpost wouldn’t stress it too much or damage it. Now, the insert is rolled into the post as part of the construction process. For a deep look into their amazing carbon manufacturing process, check our factory tour here.

They also introduced the Photon R Disc, bringing disc brakes to their top model, and created an entry level Photon v.4. The Praemio R titanium bikes were also updated with stiffer, lighter and more adaptable rear triangles (with a disc brake option, too!). Even the triathlon bikes get a new baby sister…

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Their striped appearance is a big part of the weight savings on the bike, and it’s a very intricate process of cutting and laying up. The headtube used to be straight, but now it’s a tapered 1-1/8″ to 1-1/4″ and uses an ENVE 2.0 fork.

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Just a little eye candy.

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Size 54 frame weight is with alloy inserts in the head tube, all cable/wire ports molded into frame, dropouts, hanger and seat collar. $8,500 frameset price, custom only.

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Photon R Disc takes the same racy shapes as the standard version but reworks the back end to handle disc brakes. They also used this opportunity to make the stays a bit more compliant up top to improve comfort.

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Out back, there’s room for 700×28 tires. Up front, the tapered headtube is bumped to a full 1-1/2″ lower taper. Other specs include full carbon dropouts, electronic/mechanical compatibility and asymmetric chainstays/downtube/seat tube to improve power transfer.

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The frame is compatible with 140mm and 160mm rotors. Replaceable caliper mounts protect the frame from bolt stripping.

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The Photon R Disc is custom only, available in November. Frameset is $6,500.

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For those longing to get into Guru’s carbon bikes at a lower price point, the new Photon v.4 borrows the fatter, stiffer front triangle tubes of the Photon R and the rear end compliance of the Photon SL in a stock-size-only bike starting at just $2,200 for a frameset. All that with a frame that weighs in at just 950g (size 54).

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Where the R uses a 31.6 seatpost to maximize stiffness, the SL and v.4 use a 27.2 to be more comfortable. Note the full BB86 shell width is used by the downtube to keep all your effort translating into forward movement. Up front, there’s a 1-1/8″ to 1-1/4″ tapered headtube.

Complete bikes include 105 ($3,200) and Ultegra ($3,900) going all the way up to Dura-Ace Di2 ($9,200), available in January.

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The full Praemio line of titanium bikes gets a new rear triangle with thin seatstays and oversized, asymmetric chainstays (22.2mm drive side and 25.4mm non-drive). Not only do they say it’s 30% stiffer, but also lighter.

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They also get their new Open Architecture Dropouts replaceable dropout system, allowing everything from 120mm track wheels to 12×142 thru axle disc brake wheels to be used on the same frame. Order the frame with the ones you want, then order others whenever you wanna switch it up.

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The new Praemio R Disc uses replaceable caliper mounts on the chainstay, with the rear mount being attached to the dropout. If you’re on the fence about disc brakes but might upgrade in future, either order it with guides and mounts for both, or plan on bringing your bike back in to have them add the disc brake hose guides at a later date.

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The bottom half is stiffer, but the top end gets a new seatstay layout to make it more vertically compliant. Up front, it keeps the 44mm headtube to work with virtually any fork.

The Disc model has a $5,000 frameset price (frame and ENVE fork), custom only, and a mechanical Ultegra build is $7,600 with hydraulic brakes. Make it Di2 and it’s $9,300.

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For triathletes on a budget, the new CR.401 borrows the same molds as their top end CR.901 and gets all the same features, just with different carbon and layup and only in stock sizes to make it more affordable.

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Other than the badging, you wouldn’t know this bike from the 901 from the outside.

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Rear facing dropouts let you tuck the wheel up to the frame as much as you’d like, or just account for different tire sizes when you switch from training to race wheels.

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The frame is electronic compatible and gets an integrated port for internal Campy EPS batteries.

The CR.401 will be available in February or March and is $2,200 for the frameset w/ their own aero fork, stock sizes only. The fork uses the same mold but with a different layup than they use on their higher end bikes.

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ObligatedToSay
ObligatedToSay
9 years ago

The Photon R Disc has a fat ass. Just like the Parlee Altum – why the 28 mm tire clearance in the rear for a road bike?! If I wanted that, I’d ride my cross bike.

Mike
Mike
9 years ago

Clearance for 28mm tires… the future says hello.

ObligatedToSay
ObligatedToSay
9 years ago

@Mike: Future, like when I’m 50? Sounds more like disc = winter bike, so room for fenders.

Ted
Ted
9 years ago

Imagine all the weight they could save if they didn’t put 5 pounds worth of bondo at the tube junctions!

Harry Flange
Harry Flange
9 years ago

Why would you not want 28mm clearance? Is there some advantage to having less?

Velo
Velo
9 years ago

> why the 28 mm tire clearance in the rear for a road bike?

Because 28 mm tires rock. Plus they have less rolling resistance than narrower tires.

OverIt
OverIt
9 years ago

Love the engineering on the Disc frames, really well thought out dropouts etc.

CXisfun
CXisfun
9 years ago

Why 28mm clearance? Why not? Want to run 23s on a bike designed for 28s? No problem. Want to run 28s on a bike designed for 23s? Uh oh.

Eyal
Eyal
9 years ago

I wonder if any of the Ti builders will ever design tubes to go full internal with all cables, including the rear disc cables. Don’t yell at me, I like the tidy looks of internal cables.

1gr8sailor
1gr8sailor
9 years ago

28mm rocks–try it if you are knocking it—

craig
craig
9 years ago

+1 for the ability to run 28mm tires. I wouldn’t buy a road bike that would limit me to 23mm. Great job Guru on the disc mount execution on the ti frame. The seat stays look cool too.

Psi Squared
Psi Squared
9 years ago

I can’t figure out what disadvantage, other than an ever so slight aero disadvantage, a bike made to accept 28mm tires suffers over an otherwise identical bike that only accepts 23mm or 25mm tires.

McClain
McClain
9 years ago

@ObligatedToSay-

You may want to read this, or other such articles. There is data out there showing wider tires actually do have lower rolling resistance (not to mention better grip and more comfort):

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/03/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/tech-faq-seriously-wider-tires-have-lower-rolling-resistance-than-their-narrower-brethren_209268

Pacific
Pacific
9 years ago

Man, that ride up top is so cherry.

ObligatedToSay
ObligatedToSay
9 years ago

Psi got why 28 mm is an issue to me – aero. Additionally, the bigger the tire – the more weight. I ride 28s …on my commuter.

It was a couple years back when local people were talking about asymmetric wheel sizes – like 23 in the front, 25 in the rear. Better rolling, less tire pressure in the rear, more contact in the rear…

CXisfun
CXisfun
9 years ago

@obligatedtosay: you aren’t “obligated” to run 28mm tires, though. You just have that option. Get it?

I typically ride 25’s, but sometimes, just sometimes, I want to ride some rougher stuff. At that time, I toss on some 28s because my frame has clearance to do so and they ride that much nicer then the road is rough….

A.
A.
9 years ago

Makes me want to get a Parlee… or a Moots.

Mike
Mike
9 years ago

That top tube sloped enough for ya? Looks like a f’in trials bike. Just have to put on a longer, heavier seatpost on. That’s why “650g frame weight with the derailleur hanger! OMG!” is a worthless metric, especially for all us fat fs who would be better off on steel where at least we’d be comfortable.

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