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The Weight We Wear: Part Three – Cycling shoes are rotational weight!

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In this final installment of the Bikerumor Weight We Wear series, we look at the most critical component of all, shoes. Like wheels and tires, cycling shoes are rotational mass, which means the impact of their weight gets amplified with every pedal stroke. We’ve all been there, when we’re chugging up a hill and it feels like we’re slogging through molasses. Yeah, your wheel and tire selection (and fitness) has a lot to do with that, as does the incline, but this video helps illustrate how much more power is required when you’re riding in heavy shoes.

Because F = m • a

We used Northwave’s mountain bike shoes as an example, but the science applies to any type of shoe in any situation. And before you science-types go nuts in the comments, we recognize and fully admit that the math used here does not fully and totally accurately explain what’s going on. Newton’s Second Law is usually explained in terms of moving mass in a linear path, not a rotational path, but it gets us close enough. And the calorie expenditure is not perfectly coordinated with the Newton force required to move the pedals, for three reasons: First, because it’s not a perfect, direct correlation. Second, because everybody is different in their calorie expenditure. And third, because you’re not actually accelerating the shoes from a standstill at all moments. In fact, you are most often maintaining momentum, so the actual energy expenditure will be much, much lower than what’s shown here.

Pioneer cycling power meters for dura-ace and ultregra cranksets

Basically, the numbers here are to help paint a picture. We spoke with Zipp’s engineers about rotating mass, too, and they (along with any other wheel manufacturer worth their salt) will tell you the same thing: Once you’re up to speed, the rotating mass matters very little and aerodynamics are much more important. It’s when you’re accelerating that the weight really matters. Where we believe this matters more for shoes is when you examine your pedal stroke. As Pioneer display shows above, you’re never pedaling perfect circles, so there are micro accelerations on every stroke.

how much does cycling shoe weight matter
Northwave’s Ghost XC shoes are some of the lightest around at about 396g each (size 47)

We tested two of Northwave’s shoes at the extremes of their weight range. The lightweight Ghost XC came in at just 396g/397g, and the Enduro Mid at 616g/619g. We chose Northwave (who, for full disclosure, agreed to sponsor this video experiment) because I like their shoes and knew they had something both very light and very heavy…and everything in between. It’s not always the top end shoes that are the lightest, so check claimed weights (or bring a gram scale) to your bike shop and see where things line up and match your needs, style and budget.

will lightweight cycling shoes make me faster or save energy

If you want to recreate this (or pick it apart), here’s some of the equations we used:

  • F = ma (Force equals Mass multiplied by Acceleration, usually explained as a Newton being the amount of energy it takes to move 1kg a distance of 1 meter in 1 second)
  • 175mm crank arms @ 90rpm cadence = approximately 0.52m/s linear movement from top of stroke to bottom (350mm = 0.355m; 90rpm = 1 rev per 0.667s; so, 0.355m ÷ 0.667 = 0.52m/s).
  • Actual foot movement would be more because it’s not traveling in a straight path across those 350mm of total distance, but we wanted to keep it simple.
  • 1 Newton-Meter = 0.2388 Calories
  • Make sure to double individual shoe weights to account for the pair

There are a couple of takeaways we’d like to highlight:

  • The amount of energy required to move your shoe (and pedal, and sock, and leg) increases at the same rate as the increase in weight, assuming speed is kept constant.
  • Energy expenditure (calories) does, too.
  • If you want to get faster without training, get lighter shoes.
  • Lighter weight shoes also feel faster on the bike, which provides a huge mental advantage. Or, more precisely in our experience, heavier shoes can feel really heavy and provide a distinct mental disadvantage when you’re already struggling up a hill. Or in a sport like cyclocross where there’s tons of accelerations and running, everyone is suffering, and you need every psychological benefit you can get.

Be sure to check out Part One (Clothing) and Part Two (Hydration) to see how everything you wear and use adds up. Got another category you want us to explore? Leave a comment and we’ll check into it for a future story here on Bikerumor!

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Jeff
Jeff
5 years ago

What about comfort? I bought a new pair of lighter shoes this year and even went down 1/2 a size based on input from the bike shop where I bought them. They were fine for shorter 90 minute training rides, but on my first century my feet were killing me by the end. I googled and found that stiff/light shoes not only improve power transfer to the pedals, they also allow road vibration from the bike to your feet.

Is there a way to have both light/stiff shoes but not be in agony after a long ride?

Hexsense
Hexsense
5 years ago
Reply to  Jeff

Better insole solve that.
Maybe try Specialized’s bg insole?

Shafty
Shafty
5 years ago
Reply to  Jeff

If your feet hurt, get shoes that don’t hurt them! Who cares if they’re light, really? Ergonomics is far more important UNLESS you’re racing, in which case you’ll suffer through some discomfort in the name of speed.

Don’t bother looking at shoe weights. This is just a silly precedent. If you want to ride medium to long distances here’s the order to optimize:
Tire Pressure/Frictional Losses/Maintenance>Ergonomics>Fitness>Rider Weight>Aerodynamics>Rim weight>Bike Weight

dkrenik
dkrenik
5 years ago

When looking at the effect of rotational mass of bicycle components, one needs to keep in mind the they are part of a system that includes both an entire bike and a rider. When including the total mass of the bike and rider together, a 100 gram difference at the rim becomes negligible:
https://www.slowtwitch.com/Tech/Why_Wheel_Aerodynamics_Can_Outweigh_Wheel_Weight_and_Inertia_2106.html
and
https://www.cyclingpowerlab.com/AccelerationAndInertia.aspx

This certainly follows for shoes.

Atanoman
Atanoman
5 years ago

Rotating mass is a flywheel. It stores energy when you accelerate, and releases energy when you decelerate. When you climb a hill, it’s acceleration/deceleration at the rate of your cadence. The net effect, for all practical purposes, is zero.

jycouput
5 years ago
Reply to  Atanoman

Not sure about this since there is no inertia involved in the biomechanics of pedaling. Some might be with fixies, but not when you are using a flywheel.

Antoine
Antoine
5 years ago
Reply to  jycouput

the cog of the shoe is actually describing a circle so yes there is some pseudo inertia effect here and also with the fact the whole bike accelerate decelerate. For road riding definitely negligible beacause speed does not vary that much. But XC racing on modern tracks is permanent acceleration deceleration and it’s not true you’ll get your inertia back when decelerating because most of the time you’re braking so wasting that power in brakes. So yes, slightly lighter shoes might help and a touch more than slightly lighter other part. Still one hsould not worry about that too much.

Fred Gravelly
Fred Gravelly
5 years ago
Reply to  Antoine

I’m glad I’ve never worried about ‘pseudo-inertia.” Jeeeeeeeezus

Jason Etter
Jason Etter
5 years ago
Reply to  Fred Gravelly

I’m going to pseudo-worry about this.

Jason Etter
Jason Etter
5 years ago
Reply to  jycouput

jycouput – My background is in a lot of different motorsports. The “stored flywheel effect” is a widely “known fact” that has been dis-proven many many times by top testers/teams. Depending on specific circumstances/combinations you can prove a razor thin advantage/disadvantage can be gained/lost. But 99.9% of the time the gains balance the losses for a net zero. On paper it can look like there can be an advantage gained. But when you get out into the real world and the massive number of variables that you can’t incorporate into your “on paper” test come into play the data gets so thin that it falls well within the testing margin for error. One of the simplest tests is to run manual trans drag car with a lightweight then “heavy” flywheel. This is a very narrow window to test in so has pretty good results. The results, which I have seen from multiple sources show that you always end up at a net zero.

mike w
mike w
5 years ago

Shoes don’t work like wheels. One shoe is heavy and pushes down while the other is being pulled up. So the two shoes offset each other in rotational weight. All you are really calculating is total weight that the shoes add to the bike/rider.

Jon
Jon
5 years ago

*sigh* The physics here isn’t even wrong.

Yes, the rotational moment of inertia goes up (linearly!) with mass, but that only matters during rotational acceleration. Constant* cadence == no* rotational acceleration. It doesn’t matter how hard you have to push (down, etc.) to keep that cadence, the inertia doesn’t come into play.

Now, the bio losses of having to haul a big heavy mass around at the end of your leg, that’s no joke, but it has almost nothing to do with the math you’ve presented. 🙁

dkrenik
dkrenik
5 years ago
Reply to  Tyler Benedict

I understand your example Tyler and it has a flaw. You’re giving the same value to the bike and the wheels. The bike weighs much more. The bike + rider weighs evermore yet. A wheel set might weigh ~1.5kg. The entire bike (including wheels) might weigh ~7-8kg. Now add a rider (me) at 80 kg and the system is 87-88 kg’s. A 100 gm difference at the rim is nothing in that scenario.

dkrenik
dkrenik
5 years ago

Thanks for your response Tyler. Did you check out the link to cyclingpowerlab?

For me (~80kg), complete bike (7.3kg) I did an example with 100 gm difference for each wheel (front and rear). The power cost to accelerate from 20 – 50 kph in 15 seconds was a little over a ½ watt.

My point is/was that when looking at components alone, significant differences exist. When including the whole “system”, they become negligible.

There is a blog post from many years ago that is still relevant (unfortunately I can’t find it). The poster showed (mathematically) how differences in rim mass/rotational inertia become negligible when the entire bike and rider are included in the measurement.

JS
JS
5 years ago

Sorry to break the news on you Tyler, but this is complete non-sense. I’m a professional physicist, and can’t help but feel pain when I hear so many conceptual errors and misconceptions, justified as “crazy science” details.

The best way to think about this is in terms of torque. The main torque accelerating a bike is produced by the force exerted on the pedals by the rider. The leg pushing down produces a positive torque, while the leg going up, if it has part of its weight still on the pedal, produces a negative torque. The sum of the two torques is the net torque, which is transmitted to the rear wheel (also as a torque) to fight the torques on the back wheel that slow you down (e.g. friction, wind or gravity) or to accelerate the rider.

The torque produced by the weight of one shoe (and pedal, and sock, and whatever) is always almost exactly equal, but with opposite sign, to the torque from the other shoe. The net torque is zero. That’s why your crank doesn’t start to magically spin by itself if you clip both shoes in the pedals and stare at it.

The only time where shoe mass plays a role is when you change your cadence. Let’s take a pretty extreme example: going from 30 RPM to 90 RPM in just one second. The torque required to do this, for two 100g masses at the ends of the cranks, is about 0.04 N m (Newton – meters; details below). At 90 RPM, that’s an enormous 0.4 W.

0.4W is how much power you need to accelerate a shoe that is 100g heavier than another one from 30 RPM to 90 RPM in one second.

0W is the difference between a heavier and a lighter shoe at constant RPM.

Of course, you have to carry shoes uphill, so they add to your total weight. 100g is the same as 100 ml of water in your bottle; about half a cup.

— details —
Angular velocity at 30 RPM is 3.1 rad/s, 90 RPM is 9.4 rad/s, accelerating constantly between the two gives the angular acceleration of 6.3 rad/s/s.
The torque to produce this acceleration is equal to inertia times angular acceleration; inertia is 2 (because two feet) times cranks length squared, times 0.1 kg. That’s 0.4 Nm for the torque. Power is torque times angular velocity; that’s 0.35 W at 90 RPM.
And of course, linear superposition applies: if you were to really accelerate from 30 RPM to 90 RPM, much of the required torque would go to accelerating your big muscular legs (and you on the bike), not spinning around a few extra grams in your shoes.

Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_around_a_fixed_axis

RNW
RNW
5 years ago
Reply to  JS

^^This

SoCo
SoCo
5 years ago

The kinetic energy of 1000g of shoes on 175mm cranks turning at 90rpm is 1.36Joules of rotational energy. Thats one watt extra for 1.36 seconds. To put that in perspective thats the energy required to accelerate those same shoes from zero to about 4 miles per hour. For nino that matters for you its a personal call…

That being said, while its easy to flame an article from across the web while citing mis-remembered physics from highschool or college, I truly appreciate the effort put into a scientific analysis as opposed to the ‘cool new color / 15% stiffer’ marketing hype. Thank you.

VeloKitty
VeloKitty
5 years ago

> cycling shoes are rotational mass, which means the impact
> of their weight gets amplified with every pedal stroke.

Sorry, but the majority of commenters here are correct, and the premise of this article is 100% baloney.

The effect of the weight of shoes is of course real, but it is so small that it is totally negligible. In the real world, you wouldn’t be able to measure it.

Tom
Tom
5 years ago

Tricky, fun stuff. Easy to argue complex physics, but with that said, I can say with assurance that for kicks, I’ve done identical, short-ish rides in my light racing shoes and my heavy winter shoes, and my legs sure feel the difference during and after the ride.

It’s not HUGE, but it’s there!

Garth Magee
5 years ago

Indeed, most don’t understand the complex mechanics interacting with aerodynamics. Shoe weight?? Otherwise they would have thought to shield ONLY the upper wheel. We now have proven the fastest conventional road bike, simply by shielding the upper wheel — in downhill coast tests. In this case, a Cervelo P3. Hint Tyler. See you in Reno?

https://youtu.be/tnjEacJybyQ

Durianrider
Durianrider
5 years ago

I laugh at all the chubby chub chub guys eating bacon thinking that lighter shoes will make them climb faster xD

pichierorte
pichierorte
5 years ago

Yay physics fail Tyler. How about consulting an engineer/physics instructor first before posting things like that in the interwebs?

Waiting for a corrected version of this article, else these types of anecdotes will show up in the cafes how their $500 shoes made them so much more efficient and they can “feel” it.

Velo Kitty
Velo Kitty
5 years ago

> I can say with assurance that for kicks, I’ve done identical,
> short-ish rides in my light racing shoes and my heavy winter
> shoes, and my legs sure feel the difference during and after the ride.

That’s proof alright. Proof that the mind is an easy thing to fool. Look up “cognitive bias” on wikipedia.

Henrik
Henrik
5 years ago

As already pointed out several times above: this is really hunting small gains.

Here are some numbers to get this in proportion.
To complete a relatively level 10km TT at ~36km/h you spend roughly ~200,000J of energy.

The energy needed to get 100g extra rotating at 90 rpm from 0 rpm (as already pointed out above but with 1kg so divided by 10 here) is 0.13J. And when shifting gears you waste maybe half, say 0.07J. But the largest contributor would be coasting on/off which of course is also 0.13J.

To earn 0.1 second (out of roughly 900s) in my TT example one need to spend ~66J extra. Or the opposite, loose 0.1s by wasting 66J on some uneccessary loss.

So how often do one need to coast to add 0.1s for the TT example by losses due to extra rotational shoe weight?

It turns out to be 500 times, that is every 20 meters of the TT example. (Of couse coasting this often will have other much larger negative implications but that is ignored in this context)

So there might be some tiny gains when riding for a long time in a group/pack with VERY unsteady/erratic pacing. But for a “normal” ride this rotational shoe effect is negligible.

So to the big takeaway from this is that riding at a steady pace (assuming fixed gradient and no wind) is energy efficient!

VeloKitty
VeloKitty
5 years ago

It’s sad that those of us who stayed awake in high school physics class have a never-ending struggle to try to correct articles and reviews that make absurd claims.

John
John
3 years ago

I have read quite a number of comments posted by claimed “professional physicists/engineers” as well as non-science minded folks. This argument is almost never resolved. So, “anecdotally” I will add: I can attest with firm conviction that “all things” being equal (Bike, rider’s weight, etc) but with the exceptions of the wheel weight, a DRAMATIC difference is immediately noticed in the work required to rotate a heavier wheel set. After decades and thousands of miles of uphill training and racing, you could not pay me enough $ to use a heavy wheel set or heavy shoes. So when I hear arguments using mathematical equations that claim weight savings while peddaling does not matter and that one leg cancels out the other leg, yada yada, stop by a local professional MTB or road race and look at the bike components and rider’s apparel. You won’t see ANY wheel sets in the 1800g range or shoes that are in the 450g range. There is a reason. Lighter wheels, peddals, shoes really do make a person faster by requiring less work.

David Woodbury
David Woodbury
3 years ago
Reply to  John

^^^ 100% agreed. Although, listen to the scientists if you must so I can drop ya on the hill climb. 😉

David Woodbury
David Woodbury
3 years ago

Weight will always make a difference, but there are lots of reasons to invest in good shoes and pedals. As an endurance gravel racer, many of us used to wear spd mtb shoes. Unless there is a chunky or overly muddy course, you’ll see few of the top riders in anything but aero road shoes today. Weight plays into this, but aero dynamics, power transfer to the pedal, stiffness of the sole, breathability, etc. All these things cumaltively add up to provide an advantage to utilizing light and technically advanced equipment. If you don’t race, go for comfort. But if you do race competitively, than a few watts savings over multiple hours will make a pretty substantial difference in my personal experience.

Paul
Paul
3 years ago

Sometimes when I want to get to the off license quickly and I’m still wearing my heavy walking boots, I use the same to cycle the short distance on my bike. I find that pedaling in heavy walking boots drags like hell. I certainly wouldn’t want to do a long ride to the coast in heavy walking boots, and they’re only 100 grams or so heavier than sturdy trainers. So on this point, I’m afraid it’s definitely Weight-weenies 1, Fred 0.

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