Campagnolo was the first production road groupset to go to 12 speeds when it was introduced back in April, and we got a hands-on chance then to put in some kilometers riding it on familiar island roads. But now we have our own 12-speed Super Record gruppo to review. So out with the H11 (which we loved) and it was time to throw Movement 12 onto the scale, and see how that extra cog out back stacks up…

Campagnolo Super Record mechanical, hydraulic disc

Breaking down the weights of the Super Record 12 group, we can compare it to the Chorus H11 groupset that we reviewed on this same custom carbon Festka Gravel One road bike earlier this spring.

Campagnolo Super Record 12 Disc Brake groupset – Actual Weights

The new 12-speed Ergopower levers are now branded as Super Record and get the requisite carbon lever blades with a couple extra cutouts. At 556g for the pair with uncut houses and shift wires included, we saved 2g in the upgrade.

Jump over to the hydraulic disc brake calipers – for 160mm rotors front & rear – with mounting bolts (front bolts not shown above) and pads, the pair adds up to 274g. Unsurprisingly there’s no weight savings here. They are the exact same brake calipers that are available as part of the H11 or newer M12 groupsets.

The new mid compact 52/36 Super Record crankset with its USB CULT ceramic bearings and the same as before 172.5mm crank arms weigh in at 634g, for a savings of 31g. The 160mm rotors remain unchanged and still weigh 119g a piece.

Moving to 12-speeds the new 183g Super Record derailleur (also with ceramic pulley bearings) comes only in a single longer cage length for wide gearing. Over the long cage version of Chorus 11 we had before, this new one saves another 2g.

The new braze-on mount Super Record front derailleur weighs just 78g on its own, for a savings of just 2g over Chorus 11. But like that previous derailleur, we’ve put this one on a bike with out a front hanger so we have to add another 26g for the appropriate Campy band clamp and another 15g (subtracting the double up mounting bolt) to remount our Campy chain catcher for gravel riding security.

The new R12 12-speed chain sheds 28g over the C11 thanks to hollow pins and a slightly narrower form factor. BB cups are the exact same part at 40g. Then the new Super Record level 12-speed cassette at 283g for the 11-32 saves 46g over the non-series 11-32 11-speed version, even adding an extra cog in the middle for smoother gearing steps.

Total Weights and 12-speed Upgrade Weight Savings

That essentially adds our total groupset weight up to 2515g all-inclusive. That’s 192g more than Campagnolo claims for the Super Record Disc Brake group, although they do skimp in weight claims with a compact crankset, smaller 11-29 cassette & 140mm rear brake (and apparently no cables, housing & oil). Comparing apples to apples our weights are only 8g total more than where Campy specified weight for the exact same item.

All in the update from 11-speed Chorus H11 to 12-speed Super Record M12 shaved 111g, while retaining the same 52/36 by 11-32 gearing range. That’s not all that much if you try to monetize the cost per gram, but you do get smoother gearing steps with that 12th cog. It’s certainly not cost-effective to swap out H11 for M12, but there are bigger performance gains over previous generation groupsets.

Campagnolo Shamal Ultra Disc 2-Way Fit tubeless wheels

I’ve actually been waiting for a Shamal Ultra Disc brake wheelset for quite some time. I spent a good bit of time riding and racing cyclocross on a set of rim brake Shamal Ultra tubulars, and came away pleasantly surprised at the performance and versatility of the alloy wheelset. When Campy announced a disc brake and 2-Way Fit tubeless version in May of 2017, I thought they could make a solid everyday wheelset for their new (at the time) H11 hydraulic disc brake debut.

Finally available, the 1250€ aluminum wheels tipped our scales at 1594g (738g F, 856g R), about 40g heavier than Campy’s claimed weight. That isn’t that light for a tubeless disc brake wheelset, but not bad for alloy wheels, especially ones rated for CX.

And with how well the old tubulars have held up to cross punishment, and how smoothly the USB ceramic bearings spin, I’m happy to see how these will handle tough riding conditions as well.

First Riding Impressions

Our expectations are pretty high when a Super Record groupset drops into the office. To be honest, I would personally never choose Super Record, as the $3600/3200€ groupset price is pretty astronomical. And I’ve had really good experience on Chorus-level (and below) drivetrains at a fraction of the price. But Super Record was the first complete component group available to test, so you won’t see me complaining.

Pretty much as expected the fit & finish of the Super Record 12 group was top notch. Coming directly off a bike build that swapped out a Chorus H11 group, the build was easy, and the only real difference was that it took a little more fine-tuning to dial in the rear derailleur setup. That’s no big surprise, as the group fits 12 cogs in the space of 11, so smaller adjustments were needed to get the rear derailleur perfectly aligned.

Other than that, the group has performed flawlessly so far after I bled the brakes and tuned the derailleurs. The ergonomics of the Ergopower levers feels familiar and the same excellent powerful, modulated braking is unchanged. The new Super Record 12 shifters do feel noticeably more connected while shifting, with immediate shifts and a positive click sensation at the lever. And coming from an 11-speed 11-32 to the new 12-speed 11-32, the smaller gear ratio jumps feel great, and encourage more shifting to maintain cadence, much like electronic drivetrains do.

We’ll put a lot more time and kilometers on the group over the coming months to see how the fancy new coated cables and those extra cogs stand up to the elements and our mix of on & off tarmac riding.

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50 COMMENTS

    • Sure we do. Why shouldn’t we ?

      Ergonomics, build quality and serviceability.

      A Chorus groupset will last forever. Yesterday i rebult my 07 Chorus Skeloton D brake from 2006 for the first time. And now its like i was brand new again. Must have clocked +120000km on those brake calipers

      …The day before i cleaned and regreased bearrings on my 07 Record hubs (I swapped out rearhub cups and cones in 2013 because i had been a bit too agressive with degreasers and highpressure cleaning many years ago).

      Switched to Chorus 11 speed transmission in 2015 but the old parts are still as good as new. My old 07 Ergo’s is still used on my gravelbike with Hy/Rd’s – never rebuild, not even G-spring replacement,

      My only ‘problem’ with campy is that they dont offer their hydralic disc for post mount which is a huge mistake. I would have bought them last year when they where introduced – if they had been available for post-mount.

        • Yes i have seen that but i belive you’d also need to procue additional cable fittigs if im not mistaken. Belive it adds an additional 150€ on top of Campys costs.

          im currently considering to get an Open Up frame to replace the cheap chinese TI frame i have – post mount version is significantly cheaper than the new flat mount.

          • Hope RX4 will work with Campy levers. That gives you a post mount 4 piston option. Pics exist for this setup using the Shimano compatible version of the caliper. Campy compatible version is supposed to be released soon.

    • What?
      Probably seems low as most people just buy a complete bike and one typically has to build a campy set-up.
      But from a functionality standpoint the stuff is great. There disc offering is actually really really good (quiet, strong, natural feel – not grabby)

      • Sram dumped me when i snapped a red chainring at a set of lights. Dumped me on my ass that is. The mtb drive stuff is ok but everthing else is garbage. Sram disc brakes ha ha ha

        • Don’t get me started on SRAM mtb brakes. It almost defies the laws of probability that they can make them so bad for so many years. You would think there would be pretty favorable odds that they could luck into a good design that actually works at some point after 30 years, but I guess not.

        • interesting i also snapped a red small chainring at the lights. the bolt flew off, rippes the threads and the ring bent into the carbon frame. it wasnt a good day.. did your bolt threads also failed?

          (note i put 1000w several time – each traffic light – 5 days a week into it so i wasnt entirely surprised, but still)
          ive been more careful with going all in on green lights now..

      • on campy since 88 when i switched from Mavic… the 88 Athena groupset is still a hidden gem from technological and durability perspective so when i build an l’Erocia bike a i found Athena 88 brakes, deraillures, hood and pedals nos off NOS.

        After i didnt ride for a few years in the early nieties i had a Shimano 6400 groupset for 4 monthsbefore binned it in favour of Campy again.

        • I have a set of Shamal HPW 12 that I won more than one race on…with 9 Speed on it. Those same wheels currently have 11 speed and soon 12…all with out changing a free hub body. Something to be said for that alone.

      • I wasn’t knocking Campy. I know absolutely zero people who ride it. Go ahead and promote the typical rich douchery though if you want.

      • As a campy rider, its not about money or taste. Frankly a ridiculous, insecure, db comment. Shimano makes great stuff. But Campy is also great and I think they make some better decisions with regards to metallurgy, quality and design. But its really splitting hairs when you compares ultegra+ to chorus+.

        Nobody should choose a group on snob factor and that is not why most people choose to run Campy.

        • Can we agree that SRAM makes crap though? I ride it on my mtb but good grief I’ve always had issues on my road bike with SRAM.

          • In general, I’ve never held or used an SRAM products and thought “this is a high quality piece”. Just the sounds they make seem tinny.

            But if people like, not my concern.

    • Campy is at a huge disadvantage price-wise in the States because they don’t have Taiwan/China manufacturing for the OEM market. But their stuff is much cheaper in Europe.

      • diesnt really matter.

        For durability would want the regular Records stainless steel. USB uses the regular Record Stinaless steel cups and cones with ceramic balls. Cult is full ceramic, however it should be run without grease.

          • To be technically correct:

            CULT is ceramic balls, delrin ball retainers and Cronitect (stainless) steel races. It was developed from a combination of bearing materials originally made for deep sea drilling & is very durable, running only on an oil film.

            For durability, it generally long-outlasts a conventional bearing as it is less maintenance-heavy in the hub systems, provided the hub is kept in good adjustment.

            For BB bearings, provided it is properly looked after, it has excellent durability – I am just finishing season #6 on the same set of CULT BB bearings …

            At the UK Campagnolo SC, where I am head tech, we almost never have to replace CULT bearing assemblies, other than as a result of abuse / misuse – wear and tear just doesn’t appear to be in there as a reason for replacement …

  1. Slightly off topic but, Cory, you mention testing on “familiar island roads”. What island are you on? Those pics look kind of like Vancouver, but I though you were based in Europe. I love me a good island.

    • No problem @Kaiser. The familiar island where I was riding M12 was Gran Canaria. These riding photos were taken at dusk back on the continent in the Bavarian Alps. But our EU base is actually in Prague, where the roads are quiet, rough, and not quite as scenic.

  2. Wow, that is a stunning looking bike. I can’t ever imagine dropping Super Record money on a bike, I love my Chorus kit for about 1/3 of the price, but what a sweet ride.

      • im a bit concerned that Campy is to ditch the chorus line – there is no 12 speed and Chorus has always used the same tech as in Record.

        Chorus uses a different EPS electric std than Record and SR for no reason except it was inherited from Athena EPS.

        When Campy re-introduced SR they took some of the tech out of Chorus – ex ballbearings in the Skeleton brakes,

        • Wait. I don’t think its a risk.
          There also may be a desire to keep Chorus 11 spd for a while to maintain support for a lot of their stuff.

  3. I have been using Campy since the 80’s , I still ride my custom built Bianchi that was built in the early 80’s for my road racing days. Campy has never let me down!!!!

  4. SRAM kills it on 1x gravel bikes… XDR freehub 10-42 gearing on the road. The new road HRD/Guide Centerline X brakes feel good to me. Plus it’s light. SRAM Red is also lighter than Campy SR and much cheaper + the easiest way to build an 11lbs bike.

    • 10-42 on a road bike is just dumb. I rode the SWORKS Diverge with this on it… Dumb and mostly useless. The gears go way too low and the useful ones are too spread apart.

      SRAM is just your only option for a dedicated 1X road group. If Shimano and Campy release actual 1X without going to DI2, SRAM would no longer be “killing it” The new Ultegra RX is a step in the right direction.

      • it depends how you ride. less versatile yes. dumb, no. maybe not for you though. i got 2×11 on road for that reason but if i rode the way some peoplep do id go 1x. its a lot less fuss without an fd and the chain retention is far better. for pure gravel i dont care about the gear gaps (cant even notice it) and never need more speed.
        on the regular road.. yeah i like my 2x.

    • That SRAM XDR freehub dictates that a cassette is a single pinned unit, and an expensive one at that. I expect Shimano 1x 12-speed with wider range options will be coming to road/gravel this fall.

      Oh, and you couldn’t pay me to run SRAM road hydro brakes after their recall fiasco five years ago.

  5. I’ve loved every minute of the last 13 years with Record Ultra 10spd, and I might be willing to sell off the wife or daughter for Campy Record 12 hydro. What will be most interesting is what happens to pricing on 11 speed Campy bits. I’ve done rides with SRAM Red and Shimano Dura-Ace (no electronic groups), and I just the action and feel of those groups just didn’t groove with my mitts and my sensory system.

    I really don’t care how much heavier Campy Record or SR is than the other brands’ comparable groups. I just love the Campy action, feel, and aesthetic. It’d be a sad cycling world if Campy went away.

    Cory, how definitive do the shifts feel on the Campy 12 shifters? And how do you rate the brakes compared to others you’ve tried? I’ve heard others say the initial bite might not feel as strong as others, but that the progression is constant and strong. Any issues with brake noise?

  6. I don’t ride campy, I ride shimano becase of price/performace and more moderns aestethics. Sram sucks, I love camoy though, but, we all now that the head of graphics deign at campy should be fired, and those ugly things on the front ring, near the teeth, in carbon… not the best campy ever. Why they mix uber traditional campy logo in the brakes, then uber neo simple and ugly logo on the cranks and rear der???

  7. “And I’ve had really good experience on Chorus-level (and below) drivetrains at a fraction of the price. ” really? below Chorus these days is all Powershift and that is sub Sora standard shifting.

  8. There is a problem when the top hydraulic/disk brake group (and it does not matter if it is DuraAce Di2 Disk or Campy Super Record DIsk (soon EPS)) and end up with a groupset weight (over 2500 grams) that competes with Shimano 105 or Campy Centaur. So you pay $2000 to $3000 more and get the same weight… Get a good pair of light tubular carbon wheels with Shimano 105 or Campy Centaur and you will have a faster sub $3000 that is faster than those $10,000+ bikes….

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