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Welcome back to the Bikerumor Ask A Stupid Question series. This week we are challenge manufacturers of flat bar gravel bikes, asking if they are simply attempting to reinvent mountain bikes from the 90s, or if this “new” breed of bicycle warrants a category designation of its own. Your contributors are:

What’s the difference between a modern flat bar gravel bike and a 90s Hardtail MTB? Are we not just reinventing the mountain bike here?

Enigma Bikes: The comparison between a flat bar gravel and MTB (and indeed a ‘hybrid’, dare I say it) is a valid one to make. Clearly there are similarities, but there are also a few key differences that make it a bike worthy of its own category.

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The new Enigma Escape Flat Bar Gravel Bike gets a longer top tube as compared to its drop bar sibling

Before I start, it’s worth pointing out that we produce this bike due to customer demand, we’re not trying to reinvent a rigid MTB with some bull**** marketing attached. We’ve already been making bikes like this as custom frames for years, and got to the stage where the numbers we were producing made it worthwhile to release a standard model in this style. We’re not trying to tell people what bars they should be riding, or saying that one bar is better than another, but just giving our customers all the options, there are many that simply prefer a flat bar!

Modern MTBs tend to be designed for much more extreme off road use than they were in the 90s, with low gearing, long travel suspension, slack geometry and wide tyres. All great for the typical trail riding you see these days, but if you’re using the bike partially on the road or ‘fire road’ type tracks then they can feel very unrewarding for the effort you’re putting in.

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Back to the question, here are the key differences between our flat bar gravel bike and a MTB (90s or modern):

1) Gearing – Modern MTBs tend to fit a maximum 1x 34 tooth chainring or thereabouts. You would struggle to get a 1x 40 or 46/30 double on any MTB frame, which makes their road use limited. Our Escape will fit a 1 x 42 single or super compact double such as 48/31 GRX, whilst retaining clearance for a 700c x 50mm tyre (29″ x 2.0″ if you prefer). An older MTB would have fitted a triple with a 40 something tooth outer ring, but no one wants a triple any more, do they?

2) Forks – We believe the advantage of a gravel bike is that it’s simple and light compared to an MTB, and adding a suspension fork is perhaps a step too far towards MTB territory! Our frame is designed for our CSix ADV 395mm carbon gravel fork. This is very light (450g compared to 1226g for a Rock Shox Rudy XPLR) and looks much nicer than fitting a longer suspension corrected (480mm) rigid fork with a big gap above the tyre. Longer forks also make it difficult to fit a proper full length mudguard, and achieve a low stack height which is required on a small frame size.

enigma bike escape flat bar titanium gravel frameset

3) Brakes – We don’t need to explain how much better modern hydraulic discs are compared to any rim or cable braking system. The 1990s can keep their canti brakes.

4) Geometry –  Many old school MTB frames tended to be very low at the front end, with a long, high rise stem required to bring the bars to a comfortable level, limiting the range of adjustment available. Our Escape is aimed at bike packing and commuting as much as having fun off road, so having geometry that’s a little more comfortable is a key feature.

enigma escape fb titanium gravel bike

We believe our Escape is a vast improvement on the 90s MTB. You can fit similar width tyres and have the choice of 650b or 700c rims. It has far better brakes, is lighter, more comfortable, and has a modern gear system with ample range for road and offroad. It’s aimed at people who are touring, bike packing, commuting, and of course riding gravel, but we hope there will also be a few riders who will take it round their local singletrack and come back smiling!

Ritchey: The first thing that comes to mind is wheel size and BB height. A 90s MTB was limited to 26” wheels and relatively high BB for clearance. Not to mention the limit of tire size! Today’s gravel and adventure bikes have the option of combining wheel size with greatly increased diameter when compared to a 90s MTB.

ritchey rigif mtb 90s frame

Back then, a mountain bike would typically have a 26” x 1.9-2.1” tire. Compare that to the clearances most gravel bikes can clear today: 700c x 48mm and a much different axle height. If you kept the BB drop the same on a gravel bike as 90s MTB, your center of gravity would be ridiculous. Gravel bikes don’t always encounter the same obstacles as MTBs did in the 90s, so you can run a lower BB and benefit from a lower center of gravity.

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Flat Bar and Drop Bar setups of the Ritchey Outback Gravel Bike

If we dive a bit further into geometry, we know we cannot just look at one element without it affecting other aspects of the frame design. Looking back those MTB frames of the 90s we see the reach being relatively short while long, squirrely-handling 140-160mm stems accommodated the fit of the rider; whereas, today’s gravel bikes handle best and are more stable with shorter 90-100mm stems while a longer reach on the frame opens up that space for the rider. Sure, headtube angles might be similar, but not without serious adjustments to the rest of the frame.

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We aren’t reinventing the wheel with modern gravel bikes, rather we’re making more terrain more fun by learning from our MTB predecessors and by improving on what we’ve learned in the decades since.

State Bicycle: Let’s go Mountain Biking in the 90s forever! The difference is time. We love Flat bar gravel. The simplicity of 1x gearing, threadless headsets, 31.8mm stems, and modern seatpost sizes separate gravel bikes from mountain bikes of old. What about wide 650b gravel tires, thru-axles, and disc brakes that actually work? Or tubeless tires that let you run less than 50 PSI without carrying 4 spare tubes on your ride? We are digging Flat Bar Gravel.

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State Bicycle’s 4130 Flat Bar Gravel Bike kitted out with a 1 x 11 gravel groupset of their own design

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Kieselguhr Kid
Kieselguhr Kid
1 month ago

So the answer is yes (with more up to date components and wheel size) but our marketing departments won’t let us admit it.

Poul Hansen
Poul Hansen
1 month ago

And one of the few differencies is possibility of different wheel sizes, which is also marketing B.S. as there are no advantages to big wheels for 97% of all riders. The gain is theoretical.

TTA
TTA
1 month ago

I’ve tried to build a drop bar gravel bike from an old 90’s Kona Lava Dome. I’ve been struggling to get relaxed position to my upper torso. I never had such difficulties when bike had a flat bar. There is someting in the geometry that’s made me consider a modern gravel bike. Next tuning trial will be a flair drop bar.

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K-Pop is dangerous to your health
1 month ago

The answer is no. Flat bar gravel is more closely related to the hybrid bikes of the early 2000’s than 90’s mtb’s. These are absolutely not full rigid mtb’s of any generation. The geo isn’t even in the same ballpark.

JNH
JNH
1 month ago

It’s an early 90s MTB, but with better parts, more comfortable fit and better reliability. Fine by me, maybe not so fine by the 90s Raleigh I still ride from tie to time.

Robert Bowen
Robert Bowen
1 month ago

Yeah, sounds a lot like it’s justna reinvented MTB hardtail guys – your article really didn’t carry your point

Mr A Brickley
Mr A Brickley
1 month ago

So the GT Zasker i am building for my gf that will have disks, rigid forks, short stem, and 1×11 is a flat bar gravel bike then? Or does it remain a mtb purely because the wheels are 26 inch? Even though 26 inch wheels to by gf are what 27.5 are to me. Obvs it marketing bs. Can we all return our “mountain bikes”we had in the 90’s because we were misold gravel bikes?

King County
King County
1 month ago

For the youngsters out there: Us old-timers rode the 90’s mtbs when they were modern and still enjoyed it.

darwin agustin
darwin agustin
1 month ago

Yeah… keep telling that yourselves. Gravel will always be road bikes with larger tire clearance for me.