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More Details Rolling in on Tiso 12 Speed Wireless Drivetrain

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It wasn’t all that long ago that after hinting at a 12 speed electronic drive train that was wireless (!), that it was confirmed with video of it in action on our site. Now it seems, even more information on the radical group from Tiso is coming through from the source, including pricing and details on the workings of the system.

Gary Medley dishes out the info, after the break!

From Gary Medley: 

First, all Tiso Bike Components, including the 12-speed gruppo, are imported by Albabici in Oxnard, CA.  www.albabici.com  Please contact them for information.  Thanks.

Pricing: $3,200 for 12-speed Tiso system with 12-speed all-Titanium cassette. (You use your existing crank and BB)  Campy SuperRecord  electric is about $3,700 — without the Ti cassette.

Then, $2,800 for 10- or 11-speed gruppo, using your existing crank and cassette. System can be easily programmed to work with Campy, Shimano or SRAM, 10- or 11-speed. You could run a 11-speed campy one day, a shimano 10-speed the next day and a 12-speed Tiso the next (but you’d need the Tiso ti cassette for that).

Remember, the system is wireless from the brake lever/shifter to the controller/battery. Two small wires go to the front and rear derailleur. Also, the controller/battery box will be significantly smaller and sleeker during production. AAA batteries are used.

First generation will not have the Bluetooth control or app (still in development). I believe the shifting will still be controlled the wireless RF from shifters to control/battery unit. The eventual Bluetooth/phone app will be more of an integrated bike computer than a way to shift. More details to come, and I apologize.

We’re told there will be test bikes available at Sea Otter for the press – you’d better believe we’re already making plans. More as we have it.

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Brattercakes
Brattercakes
11 years ago

…well I ain’t.

Jack
Jack
11 years ago

Gee……. is it April already?

iperov
iperov
11 years ago

so……waiting 30$ alternative from China manufacturers.

JimmyZ
JimmyZ
11 years ago

From their advertisement pictured above:
“compatible with all groups (CASH)”
I agree, this is so cash, bro!

Hell Yeah!
Hell Yeah!
11 years ago

I love the idea!

Tiz-urkey
Tiz-urkey
11 years ago

This sh!t will suffer the same as that stupid Sampson drivetrain crap. That’s right CRAP. Buyer beware. So like five people on the planet will buy this CRAP. You’ll have better odds of seeing Loch Ness and Bigfoot in the same day then seeing one person riding with this

Nick
Nick
11 years ago

Why are people hating on this gruppo so passionately? Would it be okay if it was SRAM branded?

Pmurfdesign
Pmurfdesign
11 years ago

Where are the rest of the renders of the production concepts, like the image of the front der. they released a few months ago? Until they show pics of what they intend the set to actually look like I think the level of interest is kind of topped out at a solid “tentative.”

chuck dick
chuck dick
11 years ago

What the flirth does “REAL MADE IN ITALY” mean? If a company can’t bother contacting someone who is able to string together a coherent English sentence, what would make you think that they did their due diligence with regards to engineering?

The first thing any non-American company should do when attempting to enter the American market is to hire a native speaker/writer to craft some non-crappy copy for them.

TT
TT
11 years ago

chuck dick, I couldn’t agree more!

TT
TT
11 years ago

and Pmurfdesign, you’re also 100% right.

Nate O
Nate O
11 years ago

I’ll probably just wait until they come out with a 15-speed gruppo.

Topmounter
Topmounter
11 years ago

Radical…. really? Are you wearing Olivia Newton-John leg warmers?

Gillis
Gillis
11 years ago

worst graphic design layout ever

Colin
Colin
11 years ago

@chuck dick – really? Just because their English is poor they must not be able to engineer bike parts? You do realize that there are plenty of brilliant non-native English speakers, right? America isn’t the only place that can engineer bike parts.. Stereotypical xenophobic American.

That said, I would like to see non pre-production photos. I really liked the way the rendering of the front derailleur looked, and would love to see the rest. Can’t wait to here some actual ride reports!

TT
TT
11 years ago

Colin, I think chuck dick is right.
“The first thing any non-American company should do when attempting to enter the American market is to hire a native speaker/writer (…). Why not just a student or someone straight from the street who speaks English fluently? It would take just 1 minute!
Tiso may produce some really good (amazing even) stuff but they should polish their English a bit in order to present themselves as REAL professionals REALLY dedicated to their work.

ascar larkinyar
ascar larkinyar
11 years ago

how many more cogs are they gonna add to a cassette? are the chains gonna be one sided to get skinnier and skinnier?

Mechanic
Mechanic
11 years ago

Tiso should stop while they are behind.

Max
Max
11 years ago

Oh my gosh,

many American companies doesn’t have any proper presentation in German or Italian. Often Google Translate is much better than their translations. To hire any native speaker who can translate the stuff would not cost much, but nobody is wining like you guys ;=).

BTW, half of the Tiso stuff is grap out of the box (mind: It has bearings, It’s from Italy, don’t buy!*), so I expect nothing. Such a complex system from Tiso.

* this is (in parts) sarcasm

Robo
Robo
11 years ago

I can has real made in italy! That awesome! I cant gets enough real made in Italy.

A.
A.
11 years ago

Why such hate?

Sure Italians aren’t known for quality electronics. This may not be a great seller, either. The bigger point is that someone is going wireless, 12-speed, and is planning for cross-compatibility. They are setting a bar for other companies to meet.

Personally, I would love to see SRAM invest in this technology. They have quite a history of buying companies like Tiso (Sachs, Avid, Zipp, etc.). They are lagging behind with a mechanical 10-spd group that, while better than their original version, simply isn’t as good as Campy or Shimano.

I think this will have some long-term potential even if the first effort is mediocre.

Nick
Nick
11 years ago

Max and Colin have it, that’s some really special xenophobia shown right there by the flag wavin’ gun totin’ ‘Murkans. A company’s ability to translate into ‘their’ language having corelation to the quality of the product?

I reckon A. may be on to something, I can see SRAM getting invovled in this, polishing it up aesthetically a bit, giving it some tacky decals, upping the price 20% and the fan bois cooing all over the place!

The Goats
11 years ago

Competition is good for the market.

Looking forward to an objective review.

Goats

carl
11 years ago

@ ascar larkinyar – “one sided chains”…… you may be on to something!

tiz-urkey
tiz-urkey
11 years ago

HATE is a poweful word. so i highly doubt any of us truly hate this. but we do all have constructive criticism or opinions…it does not take some brillant mind to see just how much this stuff will NOT have a presence in the industry…maybe in some small remote part of the world and the five people that are using this.
but here it goes…it looks terrible….who really needs 12 effin gears!!!! and then dont forget about the price of this nonsense, the availability of parts or pieces, warranty/service…all of this stuff, i guarantee will be a nightmare…..at the end of the day electronic shifting is a solution to a problem that simply does not exist

Sancho
Sancho
11 years ago

topmounter — radical is an english word meaning thoroughgoing or extreme.

Topmounter
Topmounter
11 years ago

@Sancho – I know what “radical” means… I just haven’t heard anyone use it since the 80’s.

Chuck Dick
Chuck Dick
11 years ago

“Just because their English is poor they must not be able to engineer bike parts?”

Perception is reality.

Chuck Dick
Chuck Dick
11 years ago

“ascar larkinyar – how many more cogs are they gonna add to a cassette? are the chains gonna be one sided to get skinnier and skinnier?”

Haha, that reminded me of Abbott’s book, “Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions”! Chains are soon going to be two-dimensional.

bikindon
11 years ago

A freakin joke… what is wrong with people… that NOW we need a wireless system… If you need electronic shifting cause you shift alot… then you need to goto mommy and daddys house… break out that old huffy and LEARN TO RIDE AGAIN…

Lets see wireless… MMMMM what could go wrong… maybe i should carry a remote and hack into the system… head to head to the finish line… we are neck and neck… so i take my little finger and throw that puppy into low gear… STUPID AS HELL

and its not about HATING and anything like that … it just PLAIN STUPID

peace

SolarSapiens
SolarSapiens
11 years ago

@bikindon “A freakin joke… what is wrong with people… that NOW we need a wireless system”

I wonder if you thought wireless bike computers were stupid. Now try to find a wired one. Why would you want wireless for a groupset? Let’s see: All the advantages of an electronic group, but can be installed in a fraction of the time, easily, by anybody…no ugly wires running around the bike…more aerodynamic…compatible with existing cassettes…no special frame design need to get the full benefit…can swap wheels with different cassettes…

I guess I must be stupid too, because I think that’s the future.

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