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Pinarello unveils Dogma F8 Disc, trickles down frame tech to more affordable Gan road bikes

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2016 Pinarello Dogma F8 Disc brake aero road bike

Last May, Pinarello introduced the Dogma F8 as it’s top level racing road bike. It was the result of their collaboration with Team Sky riders and fellow team sponsor Jaguar, using the automotive partner’s expertise in aerodynamics to make their asymmetric frames slip through the wind better.

Now, that bike is getting a disc brake variant, likely to debut under Team Sky late in the 2015 racing season (disc brakes will be tested in two UCI events this year, starting in August).

Other than what you can see here, details are non-existent, but we can see that it’s using the new Shimano flat-mount disc brake standard and that they’ll be spec’d with hydraulic brakes, FSA Vision wheels and their MOST house brand cockpit.

And this isn’t the only new disc brake bike Pinarello’s bringing to market in 2016. The new Gan road bike line will offer three standard versions and one disc brake model, and there are some interesting brake specs on them…

2016 Pinarello Gan aero road bike is based of the premium Dogma F8

The new Gan road bikes are modeled after the Dogma, borrowing their curves, styling and aerodynamic cues. The differences are in layup and asymmetry, both getting watered down slightly to make the bike more comfortable for the non pro. It’s still a performance road bike, but the carbon fiber is a high strength blend that’s less stiff than the hi-mod fibers used in the Dogma. The asymmetry is still there, just less so.

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Side to side, the Gan (left) is very similar to the Dogma (right) in appearance, keeping the flat back aero seat tube and pointed nose on the head tube. The rim brake models will have three options, the Gan RS, Gan R and Gan, with spec being the best aboard the RS but generally below what’ll be available on the Dogmas. Pricing and official info on all of these models is still under wraps until later this year.

2016 Pinarello Gan Disc brake aero road bike

There’ll be a single Gan Disc bike in the lineup, spec’d with Shimano’s BR-CX75 mechanical disc brakes. Interestingly, both here and on the Dogma Disc, the rotors are non-Shimano. The Dogma appears to have SRAM HSX two-piece rotors, and this Gan Disc gets TRP rotors.

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Four colorways will be offered on the Gan Disc.

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And if ever there was a bike that makes perfect sense for disc brakes, it’s their new Dogma K8-S micro suspension bike for the classics. Promo video below, then check our tech coverage of this bike here.

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Randall
Randall
7 years ago

Looks like two spec levels on the GAN disk. The two black bikes clearly have different shifters. The description also states that they will have hydraulic brakes…

Sardinien
Sardinien
7 years ago

I have a genuine hate for all italian brands and Pinarello is no exception,but I have to admit this bike looks stunning.

zank
7 years ago

Hmmmm….are those R785 levers? They look like the hood goes over the top of the lever more like the R685. Could these be a new DA branded Hydro Di2 lever?

Mike
Mike
7 years ago

Nice Frame !!
Very very good bring pinarello disc Brakes !!
Also very good flat-mount standard !!

But very very bad that no thru-axles and no 142 rear !!
Can I so do not buy.

Andrew
Andrew
7 years ago

As nice as these bikes look, I hate how Pinarello is purposefully watering down their bikes, less to hit a lower pricepoint with the ‘Less Asymmetrical’ frame, but moreso to justify the high pricetag on their premium models.

Pinarello went through all the hassles of making a frame mould that looked similar to their top-of-the-line bikes but without much of the Asymmetrical qualities that they tout so loudly. Wheres the sense in that? Lower-mod carbon sounds like a money saver, or maybe cheaper paintjobs, or whatever…. but intentionally making an inferior product?

As much as I critique Cervelo (despite now owning one), one thing they said they’d never do was intentionally water down their products. I respect that.

JBikes
JBikes
7 years ago

Mike – I love thru axles, but I really don’t see the point on a racing road bike rear end. Fork, yeah sure. Rear, I don’t see much benefit. Gravel or “regular” road bike, sure, the weight doesn’t matter.
Disc location is a function of the hub “shoulder”. The main problem is that this is the lock-nut for the bearing adjustment on many hubs and as such isn’t “fixed”. This is easily fixed (and I believe is on various hubs). With the hub width fixed, tightening the frame against it places the caliper in the same spot, relative to the wheel mounted disc. QR and thru axle wheel location is very similar – they both tighten and locate against the hub. The only difference being TA is less susceptible to skewing the wheel, which imo is easily addressed by a competent person.
The rear isn’t susceptible to pull out like the front is. And racing road bike rear ends don’t need the tie-in stiffness a TA provides that a full suspension bike benefits from (due to its many pivots – weak structure)

boom
boom
7 years ago

I’m still so unbelievably unmoved by disc brakes on road bikes. For certain people (bigger riders) then yes, it totally makes sense. For the majority of others though, why would you want to make your bike heavier, less compliant, and more expensive at ALL times for the very slight fraction of a time that you spend braking? Just not impressed with this.

Bruh
Bruh
7 years ago

Boom– I like disc brakes for road bikes because rim brakes rub through your carbon hoops over time, your wheel doesn’t have be completely true for them to work, and the extra power is nice. Maybe for racing it doesn’t make a ton of sense, but if you can’t replace your carbon wheels every year, disc brakes will add some durability

pile-on
pile-on
7 years ago

I see the one in the first photo doesn’t float/levitate as high as the others…must be the addition of pedals.

Chris L
Chris L
7 years ago

Mike: “But very very bad that no thru-axles and no 142 rear !!”

If you ever actually designed and built a frame you’d probably quickly understand why 142 rear on a road bike isn’t easy to pull off. Think about how short the stays are on a road bike and the desire (right or wrong) to keep them short. Short stays plus widely spaced rear dropouts will create a ton of clearance issues. Going to a wider bottom bracket isn’t an option as wider bottom brackets result in pedals being spaced further apart which in turn can lead to knee issues. Also why do you need a thu axle on a road bike??

rico
rico
7 years ago

Haha no wonder the LBS has been pushing the old models so hard to everyone in town. These look way less guido than the ones with the italian horn forks.

Ventruck
Ventruck
7 years ago

Could just be Tyler’s wording. I’m inclined to think the said “less” asymmetry is on a material level, short-cutting the selective use of presumably higher end carbon to achieve the proper stiffness levels. But intentionally going backwards and making both stays the same dimensions…that’d be quite the junk move by the brand.

Cryogenii
Cryogenii
7 years ago

Oh how we mountain bike folk laugh when people say they don’t see the point of disc brakes, because they are heavy yada yada yada.

John
John
7 years ago

I will never buy another disc brake bike with QRs. Thru axles make caliper/rotor alignment issues a thing of the past.

lonefrontranger
lonefrontranger
7 years ago

if your hub is correctly designed as pointed out above, then q/r makes no difference to rotor / caliper alignment.

I have 2 cross bikes with q/r discs that have zero alignment issues because they have fixed hub axles.

Craig
Craig
7 years ago

I ride road, MTB, cross, touring, and am quite happy with one finger braking with my Campag Athena calliper brakes. Got no interest in ever having discs on the road bike.

BikeParty1
BikeParty1
7 years ago

@Craig

You have no idea what you’re missing!
Things have changed.

Try it out disc brake and you won’t go back to your granny Athena caliper brakes.

Yours,
Disk brakes

Bevis
Bevis
7 years ago

Such an ugly bike… but discs for the Win!!!

BG Bicycles
BG Bicycles
7 years ago

Replacing your Carbon Wheels Every Year? Are you for real? Are you actually using “Real Carbon Clinchers/Tubulars”, i.e., Zipp, Enve, Knight, Campagnolo, Fulcrum? Chicom YingYang fake $300-$900 wheels, you shouldn’t even swing a leg over the bike. Correct Brake Pads, and actual real rims, you do not have any issue you alluded to in the blog.

Turner92
Turner92
7 years ago

The blast of Hong Kong Chinarellos last decade have ruined my desire to look at the real ones at all. I know that is silly and wrong, but the market has ruined my taste for them due to the oversaturation of lower priced ones.

StanleyW
StanleyW
7 years ago

@Turner92

If you have a thick wallet , get yourself Audi bike. ( http://roadcyclinguk.com/gear/audi-lightweight-collaborate-audi-sport-racing-bike.html ).

It will take sometime for them to replicate.

Bill Gates
7 years ago

This is awesome. This is a smart move by Pinarello. I will now be shopping for an F8 with disc brakes. Disc brakes, if you’re against them, you’re being stubborn and not adjusting to the new times. Disc brakes are safer, provide better braking in all weather conditions, and could help save your life over stopping with inferior caliper based brakes.

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